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== Emails between Cole Medeiros and me ==

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Add additional content of [[User talk:Margotbean#You are abusing your admin's right]] to make the conversation in public. I've gotten Cole's permission to post them here. Please forgive my poor English which caused many grammar and spelling mistakes 😕.

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Add additional content of [[User talk:Margotbean#You are abusing your admin's right]] to make the conversation in public. I've gotten Cole's permission to post them here. Please forgive my poor English which caused many grammar and spelling mistakes 😕. --[[User:Horizon98|Horizon98]] ([[User talk:Horizon98|Discussion]]) 16:24, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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On June 27, I tried to modify the script interwiki.py and the framework's code to fix the problem that I mentioned before. I did several test on the page [https://zh.stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=%E9%9D%92%E8%B1%86&action=history 青豆]. And the fix works, everything works well. Since I found that there are many items' Chinese translations changed in 1.4 or 1.5 in my work, I used the bot to update these pages' language links on other languages wikis. For example: [https://de.stardewvalleywiki.com/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Horizon_Bot de], [https://es.stardewvalleywiki.com/Especial:Contribuciones/Horizon_Bot es], [https://fr.stardewvalleywiki.com/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Horizon_Bot fr]. It works very well, so [https://stardewvalleywiki.com/User_talk:Margotbean#Using_bot_to_update_interwiki_links I asked Margotbean] that could I update all pages's interwiki links on all wikis. But he said no without giving any reason even I asked him again. Then I told him I'll update all pages next day since he didn't give any reason. After that, another contradiction began. He threatened me to ban my account. He also [https://stardewvalleywiki.com/User_talk:Horizon98#Language_Links left messages on my talkpage] which tried to explain and prevent me from doing this thing. But in my opinon, these reasons are not forceful and I refuted these reasons. However, I also said that I would only use the bot to update interwiki links that have been updated on the English wiki in the future.

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This should be the whole process about my bot account. Thanks for your patience to read here. In my opinion, the only issue that my bot did was about [[hu]] link's order which is not a big problem and fixed by the bot itself quickly.

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This should be the whole process about my bot account. Thanks for your patience to read here. In my opinion, the only issue that my bot did was about hu link's order which is not a big problem and fixed by the bot itself quickly.

As the email said that I sent before, there are many contradictions between Margotbean and me. Mostly of them have records on his talkpage and mine (both on en and zh wiki).

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-- Horizon98

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| 10:59 PM 09/02/2021

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| Horizon98

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| Hi, Cole!

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It has been another week since the last email. Whatever the final judgement is, I'm willing to know it. 😉

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All the best.

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-- Horizon98

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| 07:04 AM 09/03/2021

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| Cole Medeiros

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| Hello, very sorry for the delay. I will have a response for you tonight. Thank you for your patience!

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- Cole

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| 11:52 PM 09/03/2021

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| Cole Medeiros

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|''Hello, Cole!

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Thanks to you for proposing the process of changing templates. It seems to be reasonable and effective. And I just tested on the wiki, it looks like the problem about edit conflict doesn't exist now which I came across before the wiki transfer. At present, there's no problem about the guidelines as far as I'm concerned. ''

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I am glad to hear this will work for you!

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''Therefore, we can come back to the topic about the ban itself. I want to know why have I and my bot account been banned because of violation of the wiki policy. Before the ban, I replied to the talk about Clint's Schedule and then reverted the English schedule to the correct and better organized Chinese schedule. Also, I used my bot to correct the wrong machine translation title. In my opinion, what I did doesn't harm the wiki. Instead, it helps improve the wiki and I tried to communicate with politeness. So, I want to know the exact policy that I violated and my bot violated. Or was the ban unjustified? ''

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I think the short answer is that you are free to make changes and propose changes, but if an Admin asks you not to do something, their ask should be respected. In this case I saw the message that warned if you proceeded, you'd receive a ban. In the future I am going to ask that a ban warning be accompanied with more of an explanation as to why the proposed change or action is not wanted. But ultimately I think that an Admins judgement is required in these situations.

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''Besides, I want to know whether Margotbean abused his rights or not. Apart from this issue, the treat to ban my account in the talk: Using bot to update interwiki links is another issue where he may abuse the right. I agree with User6789's opinion on this thing: "Bots are allowed on most wikis for a reason (you have no policy stating people can't, and anyone can edit via the MW API without you ever realizing they're using a bot, as long as it is well throttled). The ability to disable the edit API no longer exists in MW."''

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The issue is not that a bot was used, it was more that Margotbean asked you not to proceed, saying "I do not think that is a good idea at this time, but I appreciate your interest." There can be lots of reasons this is the case.

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''I know the above two questions may be difficult to answer, but we need a fair judgement and result. ''

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''Regarding to the template:CraftingRecipes, I'm still insisting on updating the template. The present template is unclear in mobile view. While the template generated by module in my sandbox is clearer and more Intuitive. Furthermore, if there are only one more crafting item in the future, although I don't know whether the game had 1.6 or not, the present template has to be rewrited totally. So for the improvement of the wiki, I want to know your opinion about this template.''

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Please use the process we outlined in the previous email to carry out this change in communication with Margotbean. I think it's just a good safety check before making a major change.

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''In addition to the above, there are some constructive suggestions proposed by experienced editors which are worth took into consideration by admins (especially server admin) on the wiki. Here's the list that I collected:''

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''Desert Trader on main page User:Zendowolf/Sandbox/MainMenu''

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''Improving the state of the wiki''

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''Cargo Tables''

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''Term inconsistency, common sense redirects, style guide''

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''Css on login page via config setting''

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Thanks for these, I will take a look as soon as I can and see what we can take from these suggestions.

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I am going to ask that Margotbean lift the ban and so we can try out some of the methods we discussed. Appreciate your patience and willingness to communicate with me.

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- Cole

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| 00:11 AM 09/04/2021

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| Horizon98

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| Hello, Cole!

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Thank you for the reply and the judgement. The one-month ban should expire in 3 or 4 days, so there's no need to lift the ban now.

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Actually, the main purpose of these emails is not to lift the ban, but to discuss the legitimation of the ban and admin's action. And now you have given the final judgement.

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Thanks for your investigation and replies again!

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All the best!

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--Horizon98

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