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==Fish Pond==
==Fish Pond==
Hi again Charly! Regarding the changes to the [[Fish Pond]] page, I appreciate your comment that you're a visual person, and there may be some benefit to adding the name template to the page. However, I've reverted this same change 2x in the past, and until all languages have the page, and to keep all languages consistent, I've reverted the addition of the name template to the large tables on the page. I apologize for any inconvenience! I appreciate your understanding, [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 20:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi again Charly! Regarding the changes to the [[Fish Pond]] page, I appreciate your comment that you're a visual person, and there may be some benefit to adding the name template to the page. However, I've reverted this same change 2x in the past, and until all languages have the page, and to keep all languages consistent, I've reverted the addition of the name template to the large tables on the page. I apologize for any inconvenience! I appreciate your understanding, [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 20:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Margotbean! I'm glad you bring up the subject, otherwise I would have open up the topic myself. So, let's break down the argument:
=== Name Template Legitimacy ===
So it's the fourth time a change adding the icons is implemented and then reverted:
# [https://stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Fish_Pond&oldid=93314 29 December 2019 by Numberland]
# [https://stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Fish_Pond&oldid=97757 14 March 2020 by Tim3303]
# [https://stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Fish_Pond&oldid=121089 25 May 2021 by Kelenius]
# [https://stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Fish_Pond&oldid=130407 12 November 2021 by Charly]
I also note that it has been implemented in the past in other-language wikis:
* [https://de.stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Fischteich&oldid=18319 German]
* [https://es.stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Estanque_de_peces&oldid=18001 Spanish]
* [https://fr.stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=%C3%89tang_%C3%A0_poissons&oldid=3484 French]
* [https://ko.stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=%EB%AC%BC%EA%B3%A0%EA%B8%B0_%EC%97%B0%EB%AA%BB&oldid=7633 Korean]
Each time, you were the one making the reversion (for the sake of consistency I presume... ?).
I see those numerous changes as a hint indicating that the use of name template would be much welcome.
On the substance, I would say:
* Using the name template on the "''Fish''" columns (both table) seems to me uncontroversial
* Using the name template on the "''Item(s) produced''" column (second/produce table) seems to me a nice addition without downsides
* Using the name template on the "''Item(s) required''" column (first/quests table) could possibly be discussed, as there are sometimes multiple items per line (but has been implemented in 4 of the 8 past versions I just listed)
=== Cross-Language Consistency ===
If the issue is cross-language consistency (which could be discussed as it is not something related to page/template/category/section but let's say ok), I see no objection to take the change implementation in charge in the 9 other languages. I look that up and I feel it would not be too much work for me.
==== Quests Table ====
The "''Normal Spawn Frequency''" column is a language-specific string (the unit (''i.e.'' days) could be stated in the column title instead but let's keep it that way), and in the "''Item(s) Required''" column, the "or" translation is also language-specific. I also note the Italian version is not translated at all, and the Chinese version is using in the "''Item(s) Required''" column the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_classifier classifier] 个 (and 条 for Sardine; I don't know why this classifier is not used for other fish in the table, I suspect it is just an incoherence that should be removed). Nothing that requires internal language understanding tho.
==== Produce Table ====
Some other languages (Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese) didn't catch with the table format change made the [https://stardewvalleywiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Fish_Pond&oldid=104066#Produce 31 October 2020 by Nebulous Maestress], which remove one column, added one, moved another one.
This could be the occasion to update them, even more easily that there are just numbers (except for columns titles; and maybe a sentence explaining the new column as for the English and Japanese version, sentence not really here on the Korean and German ones; I could not translate myself perfectly for those).
=== "All Languages Having the Page" argument ===
I don't get this argument. The page doesn't exist in Hungarian nor in Turkish right now. And so? Should all other languages be frozen because of this? How does this help anyone? What difference does this make? If the page get translated some day, the better the reference page, the better the translation, isn't it? For instance [[Furniture]] or [[Traveling Cart]] do not exist in Hugarian nor in Turkish right now (neither in Spanish for the later). So we are not allowed to modify any of those pages because of that? This does not make any sense to me.
Awaiting answers to take further actions, cheers!
-- [[User:Charly|Charly]] ([[User talk:Charly|talk]]) 23:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)