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:::::::I'm not sure how languages work in MediaWiki exactly since I only work English game wikis, and this question/suggestion doesn't help at all with wanting an API, but would DynamicPageLlist3 extension ever be enabled on this wiki for the creation of automated data tables? We (another game wiki--standalone MW install) use it for pulling infobox template parameter values of pages in certain categories into dynamic data tables that we can then format via surrogate templates, perform parser functions on per line, etc to create sortable, self-updating data tables... so say, to compile a table of all farmed foods: their name, cost, sewing time, season, profit etc (whatever common parameter names and values are contained in their common templates for a given category can be pulled into a table, formatted, calculated/parsed with necessary icons etc and made sortable). There are many creative uses for DPL3, including random images, galleries, data tables etc. Perhaps then only the words used in the DPL statement to generate a table on a given page need changing. When I view an other language page, it looks like a separate and distinct page with separate and distinct categories, so it would seem like a DPL statement required to call a data table would be easily adapted to the different languages.  

:::::::I'm not sure how languages work in MediaWiki exactly since I only work English game wikis, and this question/suggestion doesn't help at all with wanting an API, but would DynamicPageLlist3 extension ever be enabled on this wiki for the creation of automated data tables? We (another game wiki--standalone MW install) use it for pulling infobox template parameter values of pages in certain categories into dynamic data tables that we can then format via surrogate templates, perform parser functions on per line, etc to create sortable, self-updating data tables... so say, to compile a table of all farmed foods: their name, cost, sewing time, season, profit etc (whatever common parameter names and values are contained in their common templates for a given category can be pulled into a table, formatted, calculated/parsed with necessary icons etc and made sortable). There are many creative uses for DPL3, including random images, galleries, data tables etc. Perhaps then only the words used in the DPL statement to generate a table on a given page need changing. When I view an other language page, it looks like a separate and distinct page with separate and distinct categories, so it would seem like a DPL statement required to call a data table would be easily adapted to the different languages.  

:::::::DPL3 is now maintained by a dev over at Miraheze wiki farm (they have a large user base so should be stable enough). It does not make or require database changes (no need to run update script via SSH) like Cargo does, and thus can be activated and deactivated easily without long-term consequence or maintenance burden, though it is more limited (and functional richness should intentionally be limited to 4, not 5 its full functional richness). It seems to work fine with special characters and other languages (I think), though there are some resource expensive functions that should be avoided, its ability to create self-updating, aggregated data tables from infobox parameter values is exceptionally nice if one can't do a full solution like Cargo. I have used DPL3 a fair bit, so am curious if this was considered in lieu of cargo. Or if they would consider installing it for examples/testing. If they were, I'd be happy to help out with examples on how to use it, since its documentation isn't ideal. Thanks [[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 08:35, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

:::::::DPL3 is now maintained by a dev over at Miraheze wiki farm (they have a large user base so should be stable enough). It does not make or require database changes (no need to run update script via SSH) like Cargo does, and thus can be activated and deactivated easily without long-term consequence or maintenance burden, though it is more limited (and functional richness should intentionally be limited to 4, not 5 its full functional richness). It seems to work fine with special characters and other languages (I think), though there are some resource expensive functions that should be avoided, its ability to create self-updating, aggregated data tables from infobox parameter values is exceptionally nice if one can't do a full solution like Cargo. I have used DPL3 a fair bit, so am curious if this was considered in lieu of cargo. Or if they would consider installing it for examples/testing. If they were, I'd be happy to help out with examples on how to use it, since its documentation isn't ideal. Thanks [[User:Username_Removed|Username_Removed]] ([[User talk:Username_Removed|talk]]) 08:35, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

::::::::Not at this time, but I'll keep your offer in mind, thank you. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 18:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

::::::::Not at this time, but I'll keep your offer in mind, thank you. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 18:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

:::::::::Thanks for confirming Margotbean, I thought this was probably the case but figured I'd ask anyhow, just in case. I can play with MW data displays off-site for this. Thanks for the reply. Cheers [[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 21:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

:::::::::Thanks for confirming Margotbean, I thought this was probably the case but figured I'd ask anyhow, just in case. I can play with MW data displays off-site for this. Thanks for the reply. Cheers [[User:Username_Removed|Username_Removed]] ([[User talk:Username_Removed|talk]]) 21:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

== Page on Time ==

== Page on Time ==

Also, is there a style guide somewhere off-wiki? I notice that proper titles/terms for game items are sometimes capitalized and other times not, which does this wiki prefer? Even just a line about this on the guide page can add a very helpful thing for less experienced editors to pitch in on to help. Some wikis create a checklist of these consistency items that users find very helpful. Might be a nice addition?

Also, is there a style guide somewhere off-wiki? I notice that proper titles/terms for game items are sometimes capitalized and other times not, which does this wiki prefer? Even just a line about this on the guide page can add a very helpful thing for less experienced editors to pitch in on to help. Some wikis create a checklist of these consistency items that users find very helpful. Might be a nice addition?

[[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 22:58, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

[[User:Username_Removed|Username_Removed]] ([[User talk:Username_Removed|talk]]) 22:58, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

:Okay, now valid spoiler tags are being removed also, though the help editing page still says to add them (sorry but this is confusing for users attempting to help). Perhaps you could elaborate there on when and when not to add these, or remove that text if you no longer want content marked as spoiler? Maybe the 1.5 update for mobile might drop sooner than I think and perhaps this is the reason, if so that makes sense. The edit reversal comment said someone has to remove them all one day, as the reason for reversal. There is an easy way to determine and do that when the time comes by adding a parser function to the spoiler template that auto-categorizes (temporarily) any page that uses that template to its update number... then edit each page to remove them all (90% were already done before I came along, I'd have been happy to do it when the time comes, though seems like I may have outstayed my helpfulness here), then remove the parser function that auto-categorizes when done. Half pages spoilered and half not was very confusing for me as a new player. I think you guys are wanting less editing help than I thought, wanting to do most of it yourselves, understandable. Cheers.

:Okay, now valid spoiler tags are being removed also, though the help editing page still says to add them (sorry but this is confusing for users attempting to help). Perhaps you could elaborate there on when and when not to add these, or remove that text if you no longer want content marked as spoiler? Maybe the 1.5 update for mobile might drop sooner than I think and perhaps this is the reason, if so that makes sense. The edit reversal comment said someone has to remove them all one day, as the reason for reversal. There is an easy way to determine and do that when the time comes by adding a parser function to the spoiler template that auto-categorizes (temporarily) any page that uses that template to its update number... then edit each page to remove them all (90% were already done before I came along, I'd have been happy to do it when the time comes, though seems like I may have outstayed my helpfulness here), then remove the parser function that auto-categorizes when done. Half pages spoilered and half not was very confusing for me as a new player. I think you guys are wanting less editing help than I thought, wanting to do most of it yourselves, understandable. Cheers.

: Ah, you're only undoing the ones I did, okay, good enough. Please delete and or rename my user account and personal data in the database on this wiki, thank you. Here is a guide on how this is done, '''please pass on to server admins per data privacy''': [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GDPR GDPR and Mediawiki].

: Ah, you're only undoing the ones I did, okay, good enough. Please delete and or rename my user account and personal data in the database on this wiki, thank you. Here is a guide on how this is done, '''please pass on to server admins per data privacy''': [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GDPR GDPR and Mediawiki].

[[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 04:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

[[User:Username_Removed|Username_Removed]] ([[User talk:Username_Removed|talk]]) 04:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

::Hi, CrystalFlower! I don't know why margotbean reversed all your edits. But there should be a much easier way to remove the template when the day comes: [[Special:Replacetext]]. This special page can only be used by admin. So the admin can remove the text "<nowiki>{{Spoiler}}</nowiki>" on all pages easily. You can see the sever admin [[User:Prod]] did that from [[Special:Contributions/Prod|his contributions]]. Thanks for your all of your work here. Best regards😊. [[User:Horizon98|Horizon98]] ([[User talk:Horizon98|talk]]) 08:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

::Hi, Username_Removed! I don't know why margotbean reversed all your edits. But there should be a much easier way to remove the template when the day comes: [[Special:Replacetext]]. This special page can only be used by admin. So the admin can remove the text "<nowiki>{{Spoiler}}</nowiki>" on all pages easily. You can see the sever admin [[User:Prod]] did that from [[Special:Contributions/Prod|his contributions]]. Thanks for your all of your work here. Best regards😊. [[User:Horizon98|Horizon98]] ([[User talk:Horizon98|talk]]) 08:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

:::Ah, I didn’t realize that extension was installed since so many other MW 1.5 bundled extensions here are not, nor are the ones that facilitate easier translation. I should have visited the Version page to double-check. FYI the [[Help:Editing]] guide still says to spoiler pages, after pointing this out it is still not removed in the guide, none of my posts were replied to, and others have recently and have not had theirs reversed, so I can only assume it is related to my person and/or my suggestions, which had solid logic and utility. There are other wikis and offline export that's easy to set up, thanks, you're welcome, and cheers! [[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 23:53, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

:::Ah, I didn’t realize that extension was installed since so many other MW 1.5 bundled extensions here are not, nor are the ones that facilitate easier translation. I should have visited the Version page to double-check. FYI the [[Help:Editing]] guide still says to spoiler pages, after pointing this out it is still not removed in the guide, none of my posts were replied to, and others have recently and have not had theirs reversed, so I can only assume it is related to my person and/or my suggestions, which had solid logic and utility. There are other wikis and offline export that's easy to set up, thanks, you're welcome, and cheers! [[User:Username_Removed|Username_Removed]] ([[User talk:Username_Removed|talk]]) 23:53, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

== Css on login page via config setting ==

== Css on login page via config setting ==

Please (Wiki bureaucrat/Sysop with access to LocalSettings.php config), please look up in the MW manual and consider setting<code>$wgAllowSiteCSSOnRestrictedPages = true;</code> in LocalSettings.php, so the login (and other) special pages use the site-wide css as well, it looks strange to be dumped to the white default Vector CSS for sign up, login, preferences and such. It is an easy change we use on our wikis. Thanks! [[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 19:28, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Please (Wiki bureaucrat/Sysop with access to LocalSettings.php config), please look up in the MW manual and consider setting<code>$wgAllowSiteCSSOnRestrictedPages = true;</code> in LocalSettings.php, so the login (and other) special pages use the site-wide css as well, it looks strange to be dumped to the white default Vector CSS for sign up, login, preferences and such. It is an easy change we use on our wikis. Thanks! [[User:Username_Removed|Username_Removed]] ([[User talk:Username_Removed|talk]]) 19:28, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

== Interwiki transcluding ==

== Interwiki transcluding ==

== Suggestion for improving goodwill and atmosphere ==

== Suggestion for improving goodwill and atmosphere ==

Before I exit for good, I wanted to add a potentially helpful suggestion, since I saw some atmosphere discussion elsewhere. There is an excellent extension for promoting goodwill and a positive atmosphere on a wiki, it is called '''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Thanks Thanks]''' (it requires the Echo extension, which is also '''very''' useful to users, providing enhanced notifications). The '''Thanks''' extension allows both users and admins to give thanks and show appreciation for efforts on helpful edits. Such an extension could help to offset the tone of hurried, "brief, or blunt" (quoting Cole) admin actions, by supplementing it with some highly positive and appreciative ones that are a quick, easy click while reviewing changes/diffs. Having such a feature is a great way to help foster a community atmosphere, and I'd imagine it is why it is used on Wikimedia/Wikipedia projects. I install both on the wikis I work on, as I find it has a very beneficial effect on atmosphere. Good luck and cheers! :) - [[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 13:26, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Before I exit for good, I wanted to add a potentially helpful suggestion, since I saw some atmosphere discussion elsewhere. There is an excellent extension for promoting goodwill and a positive atmosphere on a wiki, it is called '''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Thanks Thanks]''' (it requires the Echo extension, which is also '''very''' useful to users, providing enhanced notifications). The '''Thanks''' extension allows both users and admins to give thanks and show appreciation for efforts on helpful edits. Such an extension could help to offset the tone of hurried, "brief, or blunt" (quoting Cole) admin actions, by supplementing it with some highly positive and appreciative ones that are a quick, easy click while reviewing changes/diffs. Having such a feature is a great way to help foster a community atmosphere, and I'd imagine it is why it is used on Wikimedia/Wikipedia projects. I install both on the wikis I work on, as I find it has a very beneficial effect on atmosphere. Good luck and cheers! :) - [[User:Username_Removed|Username_Removed]] ([[User talk:Username_Removed|talk]]) 13:26, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

: Thank you for this suggestion, I will investigate! [[User:ColitoCole|ColitoCole]] ([[User talk:ColitoCole|talk]]) 15:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

: Thank you for this suggestion, I will investigate! [[User:ColitoCole|ColitoCole]] ([[User talk:ColitoCole|talk]]) 15:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

:: You're welcome, thanks for replying and investigating it. [[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 19:58, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

:: You're welcome, thanks for replying and investigating it. [[User:Username_Removed|Username_Removed]] ([[User talk:Username_Removed|talk]]) 19:58, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

::Also, when you have some time Cole, can you please review [[Talk:Dyeing|Talk:Dyeing]] since the page is clearly incorrect and confusing in places but was left unaddressed, thanks. [[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 20:50, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

::Also, when you have some time Cole, can you please review [[Talk:Dyeing|Talk:Dyeing]] since the page is clearly incorrect and confusing in places but was left unaddressed, thanks. [[User:Username_Removed|Username_Removed]] ([[User talk:Username_Removed|talk]]) 20:50, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

::: I will take a look as soon as I can! :) [[User:ColitoCole|ColitoCole]] ([[User talk:ColitoCole|talk]]) 19:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

::: I will take a look as soon as I can! :) [[User:ColitoCole|ColitoCole]] ([[User talk:ColitoCole|talk]]) 19:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)