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I just consolidated Island West slightly - I moved info about the green duggy and the shipwreck into the beach section. Overall, I'm trying to decide if some of these topics warrant their own pages. For example, Gourmand - I'd love to make a page with a screenshot of his cave, as well as info about fishing in his pond, the Gourmand statue, and maybe quotes. That might not be enough for a full page; however, adding specifics like this to every one of the island sections here would make this page more unwieldly. In my head, the Island North section is what "good" looks like - brief details, but then links to main pages for areas/topics. Any thoughts? The two changes I've been specifically thinking about how to add are Gourmand and then more specifics about the Mushroom Cave (e.g. items and frequency). I'll probably sandbox some stuff to work through what might make sense, but wanted to see if anyone feels strongly one way or the other. [[User:Efarn|Efarn]] ([[User talk:Efarn|talk]]) 02:44, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
I just consolidated Island West slightly - I moved info about the green duggy and the shipwreck into the beach section. Overall, I'm trying to decide if some of these topics warrant their own pages. For example, Gourmand - I'd love to make a page with a screenshot of his cave, as well as info about fishing in his pond, the Gourmand statue, and maybe quotes. That might not be enough for a full page; however, adding specifics like this to every one of the island sections here would make this page more unwieldly. In my head, the Island North section is what "good" looks like - brief details, but then links to main pages for areas/topics. Any thoughts? The two changes I've been specifically thinking about how to add are Gourmand and then more specifics about the Mushroom Cave (e.g. items and frequency). I'll probably sandbox some stuff to work through what might make sense, but wanted to see if anyone feels strongly one way or the other. [[User:Efarn|Efarn]] ([[User talk:Efarn|talk]]) 02:44, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
:I agree that this article, being about a HUGE central topic, is best served by concise introductory remarks and tons of links to the wide variety of details subjects, small or large as those other subjects may be. I also agree that the Island North section is currently a good example of what that might look like. I am going to make a couple of edits to that section that I think would make it better, though. It currently contains a couple of lists of items (for Island Trader and Mountain Quarry). Both those subtopics already have their own articles, and I would suggest that the lists belong there, not here. Instead, I will substitute a short suggestive language that can lead the reader to click the related articles if they want more. This way, more details (even such as lists) may be made explicit elsewhere, and only once on the wiki. The governing thought here is to lead the reader to the details, but to keep those details from being replicated and needing multiple points of correction or update if maintenance proves necessary. [[User:Giles|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles|talk]]) 19:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:I agree that this article, being about a HUGE central topic, is best served by concise introductory remarks and tons of links to the wide variety of details subjects, small or large as those other subjects may be. I also agree that the Island North section is currently a good example of what that might look like. I am going to make a couple of edits to that section that I think would make it better, though. It currently contains a couple of lists of items (for Island Trader and Mountain Quarry). Both those subtopics already have their own articles, and I would suggest that the lists belong there, not here. Instead, I will substitute a short suggestive language that can lead the reader to click the related articles if they want more. This way, more details (even such as lists) may be made explicit elsewhere, and only once on the wiki. The governing thought here is to lead the reader to the details, but to keep those details from being replicated and needing multiple points of correction or update if maintenance proves necessary. [[User:Giles|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles|talk]]) 19:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
::I've now created separate pages for each main area of the island and moved the detailed information for each to those pages! I think everything could still probably use some work (eg. I'm not a fan of the recursive explanation of 'Island East/North/West is the Island East/North/West of Island South'), but this should be a good start. [[User:Polk|Polk]] ([[User talk:Polk|talk]]) 01:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Hello Polk! I'm afraid I have some bad news. One comment from a year and a half ago isn't enough to warrant such substantial changes to a page. Remember that the wiki exists in 12 languages, and changes in English affect the rest. So, I'm going to change the page back, and we can see if anyone has any further input on the subject. I'm really sorry, but remember to discuss first! Thank you very much for your efforts to make the wiki better! [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 05:07, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
::::It's all good! I'd been under the impression that this was enough discussion and that the lack of activity here was from a lack of initiative, at least partially because I remember working on this before it had so many other connections, and that at the time this seemed to be the case. Thank you for the explanation!
::::As far as input goes, I'd like to add some here, in case it generates any further discussion and interest: I think the current layout has too much for one page. I remember it was written in something of a rush, originally, as everyone added content as it was discovered. As far as comparable layouts (as in, to compare with how other locations in the game are handled on this wiki), the closest thing I can think of is like how The Mountain is laid out: the Railroad, Quarry, and even the Witch's Swamp all have their own pages. Dividing the different areas of the island into their own pages would mirror this, at least somewhat.
::::The best argument I can think of against this is that although the main areas of Ginger Island are large, distinct, and complex, they're all still united by being a part of Ginger Island, which was released in a single update long after the rest of the game already existed. Although it's complicated and has a lot of things going on, there aren't more than a handful of new characters, and there's only one that has a heart rating. There may even be an argument to be made that the whole island is thematically more of a dungeon, than anything? (We don't do separate pages for individual floors of a dungeon.) I'm not very clear on what the issues with the pages in other languages are, but another potential issue is that there may apparently be an issue with remodeling pages and reflecting these changes across languages. I'm assuming it's the difficulty of finding someone in each language who can help make the wording adjustments and cut-and-paste the sections to the new pages in coordination with this?
::::Personally, my vote is towards breaking things down into smaller pieces. There are readability and organization issues on this page as it is, and I think we could find a way to section off the highly detailed segments without losing information and while improving things overall. If there's an issue with trying to coordinate stuff in other languages, I don't know what the steps would be, but I'd like to learn more, and whether I might be able to help with it. What do the rest of you think?
::::(By the way, is there a resource where I could learn more about how much we should hold back in the future for changes while editing? When the 1.5 Update came out I was part of the efforts to build the initial groundwork for a few things, and I'm getting the sense that the landscape has since changed, and I'd like to know how to step to avoid this happening in the future. For example, is keeping the new additions under Transportation something that needs to be discussed beforehand, or can that kind of thing be added and then revised as needed later?) [[User:Polk|Polk]] ([[User talk:Polk|talk]]) 05:48, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Hi Polk! Thanks for your understanding! The problem with other languages is indeed the fact that I don't speak 12 languages, so cutting up a page and copy/pasting would be difficult. If an editor were interested in trying to do so (using google translate, for example), I wouldn't be opposed to such a big change, as long as the editor was willing to attempt the same changes x12. Some languages have not reorganized the page by section (so parts of the island are in a different order than in English), making the task even more difficult. In general, online translators are absolutely worthless for Japanese, Korean, and Chinese, and all but worthless for Hungarian, Russian, and Turkish. They do a bit better with the other languages.
:::::As for the changes to the "Transportation" section, I think info about how to first get to the island should be at the top of the page, and the Parrot Express should be lower down. Adding info about the Island Obelisk is fine, but it doesn't fit in a section about the Parrot Express, so perhaps there could be a section created at the top of the page about transportation to and from the island. These changes aren't drastic enough to warrant lengthy discussion, unlike breaking the page up into several subpages. (Although discussion is never a bad thing!) I hope this helps! [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 16:43, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::This makes sense, yeah! If it were enough to only worry about a few of the languages, I could probably get through the latin-based ones (and maybe a couple of others), but the full set of 12 (especially those six you called out) would be beyond that range, yeah. I suspect the answer is no, or it would have come up earlier, but just in case: would there be anywhere on this site where I could look for translators who are available for those languages?
::::::Re Transportation: That's a good point, yeah, and I'd been wondering if entry/exiting-island transportation would fall under a different umbrella than within-the-island-itself transportation. I'll kick around ideas for this, and also look around at what the other location pages, have, since trying to standardize the information each page gives is a personal goal of mine, and if it's not a commonly given tidbit then that would make it less of a priority.
::::::Thank you again for all your help, btw! [[User:Polk|Polk]] ([[User talk:Polk|talk]]) 04:42, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::::You're welcome, and thank you for your good ideas and your understanding about the whole situation!!
:::::::There's no one who's very active in the other languages at the moment. There was a surge during summer, but that's ended. So, if I could point you to someone, I surely would! But there's no one right now, I'm sorry to say. I'm always looking for them, and trying to keep them interested in translating and updating pages. It's an uphill struggle. I've tried soliciting translators on discord, but they are mostly modders, and translating is infinitely more tedious than writing the code for a mod. I can't seem to coerce them into it, not for lack of trying!
:::::::Your ideas about the transportation section seem quite sound; I trust your thought process. If there's anything more I can do, please don't hesitate to ask! [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 07:41, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
== Farm Shipwreck ==
== Farm Shipwreck ==
All 1.5 content is currently marked with "Warning: Spoilers" <nowiki>{{Spoiler}}</nowiki> banners. 1.5 was released close to a year ago; I'd hardly still consider the documentation of its contents as spoilers. Can we start removing these banners? --[[User:Odg|Odg]] ([[User talk:Odg|talk]]) 22:50, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
All 1.5 content is currently marked with "Warning: Spoilers" <nowiki>{{Spoiler}}</nowiki> banners. 1.5 was released close to a year ago; I'd hardly still consider the documentation of its contents as spoilers. Can we start removing these banners? --[[User:Odg|Odg]] ([[User talk:Odg|talk]]) 22:50, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
:1.5 has not been released on mobile yet. If you read the banner, it warns mobile players to use caution or avoid reading the article/section. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 23:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
:1.5 has not been released on mobile yet. If you read the banner, it warns mobile players to use caution or avoid reading the article/section. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 23:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
::Yeah, what's up with that? [[User:Thorninjag|Thorninjag]] ([[User talk:Thorninjag|talk]]) 22:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
:::In what way do you mean? [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 04:48, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
== Fish vs Fishing ==
== Fish vs Fishing ==
::::::Here's a clip that shows how to access the area, if it helps: https://youtu.be/HZ1Lda95Lc8 [[User:Leninheads|Leninheads]] ([[User talk:Leninheads|talk]]) 19:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::Here's a clip that shows how to access the area, if it helps: https://youtu.be/HZ1Lda95Lc8 [[User:Leninheads|Leninheads]] ([[User talk:Leninheads|talk]]) 19:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it was changed in an update since February of 2022, but there are 874 plantable tiles accessible through normal gameplay, not 846.
770 on the main farm, 55 across the river, 42 around the pond, 5 by the parrot Express, and two in spots where you find golden walnuts [[User:HumanDude|HumanDude]] ([[User talk:HumanDude|talk]]) 10:41, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Since the wiki used to say Jellyfish appear in the water at night was not correct. Each time I play, the only time I see them is in [[Winter]]. Which made me make this change. [[User:9000|9000]] ([[User talk:9000|talk]]) 8:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
== Jellyfish only in [[Winter]] ==
Since this wiki used to say Jellyfish appear in the water at night and without rain was not correct. Each time we play, the only time we see them is in [[Winter]] and without rain. Which made us make this change. [[User:9000|9000]] ([[User talk:9000|talk]]) 8:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
:Yep, I checked the game code when you made the change, and found that you were correct. Good job, thank you! [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 14:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
:Yep, I checked the game code when you made the change, and found that you were correct. Good job, thank you! [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 14:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
::Oh cool, I've never noticed these! Where on the Island do they appear? Is it Island South, or is it multiple areas? [[User:Polk|Polk]] ([[User talk:Polk|talk]]) 01:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
== Villagers being stuck ==
== Villagers getting stuck ==
Since of people playing and me playing at the time that when the [[Villagers]] return to Stardew Valley from the Island Resort, there is a bug where a [[Villager]] or two will be frozen and cannot move. Here is an example: I found [[Lewis|Mayor Lewis]] stuck at the top left of the map looking into a cliff next to the warp totem facing east. Is this a bug? Feel free to check the game code. [[User:9000|9000]] ([[User talk:9000|talk]]) 8:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Since of lads at the time that when the [[Villagers]] return to Stardew Valley from the Island Beach Resort, there is a bug where a [[Villager]] or two will be frozen and cannot move. Here is an example: We found [[Lewis|Mayor Lewis]] stuck at the top left of the map looking into a cliff next to the Warp Totem facing east. Is this a bug? Feel free to check the game code. [[User:9000|9000]] ([[User talk:9000|talk]]) 8:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
:That sounds like a bug, you should report it on the [https://forums.stardewvalley.net/forums/help-bug-reports-non-modded.12/ forums]. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 17:29, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
:That sounds like a bug, you should report it on the [https://forums.stardewvalley.net/forums/help-bug-reports-non-modded.12/ forums]. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 17:29, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
::tbh weird scheduling issues are just...kinda a thing, I guess. I'm not surprised. [[User:Atravita|Atravita]] ([[User talk:Atravita|talk]]) 14:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
== I've been playing for months, and I can't find ginger island ==
I've been playing since February, Upgraded my tools to the max, made my farm look cool, and willy hasn't sent the letter about the boat once. Please help. [[User:Thorninjag|Thorninjag]] ([[User talk:Thorninjag|talk]]) 22:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
:If you're playing on a mobile device, you're playing v1.4, which doesn't include Ginger Island. You can't get 1.5 content until the mobile release of v1.5. ConcernedApe has tweeted that he expects it to happen by the end of this year. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 04:48, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
== Bugs ==
While fishing on ginger Island, it hit 2am and I didn't fall asleep. I don't know if this is a overall bug, or if it is a specifically for ginger island bug. Can someone please tell me if they have also experienced this. Thank you [[User:Shhzjska|Shhzjska]] ([[User talk:Shhzjska|talk]]) 00:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)