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::::::Oh goodness, so we're talking about two techniques here: (1) stopping time during the loading process, and (2) clicking both mouse buttons to place a staircase during the time-pause. I did ''not'' get that we were demonstrating the time-pause strategy from the video, I got that the creator was using the time pause to do some bonus work (''i.e.,'' placing a staircase). So now we've added another layer of complexity. That's a bit too advanced to be really useful, I think. It falls in the same category as animation cancelling, something the wiki doesn't go into because it's tricky and not all that helpful to the majority of casual players. It seems to apply only to mouse/keyboard as well, there's no mention of using a controller. I think it's really something for reddit, discord, the forums, youtube, twitch, etc. but not so much for the wiki.
::::::Oh goodness, so we're talking about two techniques here: (1) stopping time during the loading process, and (2) clicking both mouse buttons to place a staircase during the time-pause. I did ''not'' get that we were demonstrating the time-pause strategy from the video, I got that the creator was using the time pause to do some bonus work (''i.e.,'' placing a staircase). So now we've added another layer of complexity. That's a bit too advanced to be really useful, I think. It falls in the same category as animation cancelling, something the wiki doesn't go into because it's tricky and not all that helpful to the majority of casual players. It seems to apply only to mouse/keyboard as well, there's no mention of using a controller. I think it's really something for reddit, discord, the forums, youtube, twitch, etc. but not so much for the wiki.
::::::I will say this again, though, if the video creator (or anyone else) can create a clear, concise instructional video, I have no problem providing a very brief summary of the strat and then linking to the video (with appropriate disclaimers that the technique may be difficult). We're just not there yet, not with the video we have been referring to in our discussion. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 22:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
::::::I will say this again, though, if the video creator (or anyone else) can create a clear, concise instructional video, I have no problem providing a very brief summary of the strat and then linking to the video (with appropriate disclaimers that the technique may be difficult). We're just not there yet, not with the video we have been referring to in our discussion. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 22:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry to hear that :( Like I said earlier, it's not easy to explain this in a short sentence or two, because it involves several tiny steps. That's why it is better to see it in action, so people can easier connect the words to actions and consequences. I hoped to get this information onto the wiki so others can try their hand at it too, but I understand if it is deemed as too "heavy".
:::::::As an aside, I have never tried animation cancelling, and don't see how that has much value outside of actual speedruns, which from what I understand are measured on real-time instead of in-game time. Because animation basically stops the in-game clock anyway (e.g., NPCs and the clock stop), so normal playing doesn't have much if any benefit I think? I look at this stairs technique differently, because all the tools for it are there in a vanilla game, no need for external programs or macros or whatever. The short of it is you hit pause on floor load, hold down mouse buttons on unpause, and down you go. It does work on other platforms too btw, but apparently not as well as on PC, because it can be more tricky to place stairs quickly on other platforms. Don't have personal experience with that, because I only have the game on PC, but others on the forum said as much.
:::::::Perhaps you have made up your mind to not include it, but here is a different and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkBpk2kqd1w shorter video] about the technique. Personally I think Godzilla explained it better, but maybe this is more fitting anyway? In any case, if it isn't included here, I hope other players are able to stumble across it on the forum or other places it may be discussed. Going that deep has been a lot of fun for me, and breathed new life into the game with a new type of challenge. I merely wanted others to have the same chance, and figured the wiki has a lot more eyes on it than the forum or very specific threads on reddit. [[User:Pangaea|Pangaea]] ([[User talk:Pangaea|talk]]) 08:08, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
== Maki Roll - To put on Fish page or not? ==
== Maki Roll - To put on Fish page or not? ==