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Change to Console Version History

Hi! I changed Console Version History to break out of the table. The previous format was confusing; versions often didn't align, PS Vita was off on its own, releases were listed in conflicting orders (major releases were listed latest -> oldest, but minor releases were oldest -> latest), etc. It was also hard to link to a release, and didn't have much benefit since each console often has different versions & release notes anyway. If the new format looks fine, I'll make the change to the other wikis too. —Pathoschild (talk) 16:28, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm personally not really a fan of this formatting. It's harder to read changes and splitting it this way means a bunch of information is going to be repeated at least three times on the same page. What do you think Margot? Katzeus (talk) 16:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Well... Pathos actually promised to make the formatting changes to the Console Version History page way back when he changed the Version History page, so I've been expecting this. I've been staring at both pages side-by-side for about 20 minutes now, and I honestly like and dislike aspects of both.
Bottom line, I think we should keep the new format. We can transclude within the page, if v1.3 is going to be the exact same text for all 3 consoles. As it is now, there are only 2 sections duplicated, and it makes more sense to me for each console to have its own section, rather than one table cell with 3 different console changes listed in it. The Switch needed its own section a long time ago, imo.
As for readability, we could put each console into its own table, adding a white background. (Then it wouldn't match the Version History or Mobile Version History pages, but I could live with that.)
A couple of tweaks -- the logos are different sizes, and it looks weird.
My thoughts. --margotbean (talk) 17:47, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
P.S. No pun intended, we've broken the link to the PS Vita version in Template:MainLinks now. margotbean (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I tweaked the logos so their heights are consistent (though their widths vary); how does that look? MainLinks points to the top of Console Version History for the other consoles, so those could all be updated to link to their section too. —Pathoschild (talk) 18:13, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I think you may just want to eyeball the logo height to match the line height, they still look a little off. It shouldn't change once set, so it doesn't really need to be consistent imo.
But fair points on the format changes, I'm not going to strongly defend the table. The layout worked much better when it was just two consoles on the same version vs the jumble it'd became now.
I've updated the mainlinks template, that'll help direct better for this new setup.- Katzeus (talk) 18:39, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I agree, the logos need to look good to the human eye. Forget about matching sizes in the code.
I think it should say "Nintendo Switch", even if it doesn't say "Microsoft Xbox" or "Sony Playstation". Translators are going to delete that span, and I'll forever be putting it back. Seriously. "Switch" is a more generic term than Xbox or PS4 as well, so to me that justifies it being "not like the others". margotbean (talk) 18:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
The span isn't needed in other languages though, since that's only to avoid breaking links from the official announcements. Also, here's an attempt to align the logos visually (the PS4/Vita logos look huge if you align the line heights):
PS4 logo.png PS Vita logo.png Nintendo Switch Logo.png Xbox One Logo.png
Pathoschild (talk) 19:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I made the Switch logo 2px bigger, and now the line-heights are a bit off (the bottom gray border is just about touching the Xbox and Switch images, while the other two have space.) I think I'm about done messing with it now, it's not going to get any better, and it's such nit-picking at this point. Overall, I think it looks good!  :D If you want to tackle the other languages, be my guest. I'm not gonna change template:MainLinks in the other languages until the pages are changed, so whenever/whatever you want to do is fine. margotbean (talk) 19:45, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I'll hold off a bit in case Katzeus has other feedback, but I'll update the other languages later today. —Pathoschild (talk) 20:37, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
No other feedback here - looks good! I'll update the links for the MainLink templates on each site once you've done your work - Katzeus (talk) 21:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Done! All wikis are migrated to the new format. —Pathoschild (talk) 00:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Cool - MainLinks are all updated - Katzeus (talk) 14:45, 13 December 2018 (UTC)