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Change to Console Version History

Hi! I changed Console Version History to break out of the table. The previous format was confusing; versions often didn't align, PS Vita was off on its own, releases were listed in conflicting orders (major releases were listed latest -> oldest, but minor releases were oldest -> latest), etc. It was also hard to link to a release, and didn't have much benefit since each console often has different versions & release notes anyway. If the new format looks fine, I'll make the change to the other wikis too. —Pathoschild (talk) 16:28, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm personally not really a fan of this formatting. It's harder to read changes and splitting it this way means a bunch of information is going to be repeated at least three times on the same page. What do you think Margot? Katzeus (talk) 16:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Well... Pathos actually promised to make the formatting changes to the Console Version History page way back when he changed the Version History page, so I've been expecting this. I've been staring at both pages side-by-side for about 20 minutes now, and I honestly like and dislike aspects of both.
Bottom line, I think we should keep the new format. We can transclude within the page, if v1.3 is going to be the exact same text for all 3 consoles. As it is now, there are only 2 sections duplicated, and it makes more sense to me for each console to have its own section, rather than one table cell with 3 different console changes listed in it. The Switch needed its own section a long time ago, imo.
As for readability, we could put each console into its own table, adding a white background. (Then it wouldn't match the Version History or Mobile Version History pages, but I could live with that.)
A couple of tweaks -- the logos are different sizes, and it looks weird.
My thoughts. --margotbean (talk) 17:47, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
P.S. No pun intended, we've broken the link to the PS Vita version in Template:MainLinks now. margotbean (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I tweaked the logos so their heights are consistent (though their widths vary); how does that look? MainLinks points to the top of Console Version History for the other consoles, so those could all be updated to link to their section too. —Pathoschild (talk) 18:13, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I think you may just want to eyeball the logo height to match the line height, they still look a little off. It shouldn't change once set, so it doesn't really need to be consistent imo.
But fair points on the format changes, I'm not going to strongly defend the table. The layout worked much better when it was just two consoles on the same version vs the jumble it'd became now.
I've updated the mainlinks template, that'll help direct better for this new setup.- Katzeus (talk) 18:39, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I agree, the logos need to look good to the human eye. Forget about matching sizes in the code.
I think it should say "Nintendo Switch", even if it doesn't say "Microsoft Xbox" or "Sony Playstation". Translators are going to delete that span, and I'll forever be putting it back. Seriously. "Switch" is a more generic term than Xbox or PS4 as well, so to me that justifies it being "not like the others". margotbean (talk) 18:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
The span isn't needed in other languages though, since that's only to avoid breaking links from the official announcements. Also, here's an attempt to align the logos visually (the PS4/Vita logos look huge if you align the line heights):
PS4 logo.png PS Vita logo.png Nintendo Switch Logo.png Xbox One Logo.png
Pathoschild (talk) 19:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I made the Switch logo 2px bigger, and now the line-heights are a bit off (the bottom gray border is just about touching the Xbox and Switch images, while the other two have space.) I think I'm about done messing with it now, it's not going to get any better, and it's such nit-picking at this point. Overall, I think it looks good!  :D If you want to tackle the other languages, be my guest. I'm not gonna change template:MainLinks in the other languages until the pages are changed, so whenever/whatever you want to do is fine. margotbean (talk) 19:45, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
I'll hold off a bit in case Katzeus has other feedback, but I'll update the other languages later today. —Pathoschild (talk) 20:37, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
No other feedback here - looks good! I'll update the links for the MainLink templates on each site once you've done your work - Katzeus (talk) 21:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Done! All wikis are migrated to the new format. —Pathoschild (talk) 00:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Cool - MainLinks are all updated - Katzeus (talk) 14:45, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Removing heart event videos?

Hi again! You removed some heart event video links (see example diff), but those can be useful when looking up what happens in an event (e.g. getting the specific dialogue text for modding); why remove them? —Pathoschild (talk) 21:27, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Because they're going to cause all kinds of trouble for translators, they're all in English only, and anyone doing a google search can find a plethora of videos of all heart events (and more). margotbean (talk) 21:29, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Character Quotes - Manual of Style?

Margot.

You seemed like the right person to come to after covering my observation re Pig 5 Heart Sell Price over at animals. I've noticed that there seems to be a lack of consistent styling of character quotes across different characters (take a look at how they're done for Haley's article, then how they're done for Sebastian's article and you should see it). A quick search across the wiki hasn't turned up anything for a 'Manual of Style' document either, so while 'be Bold' is true, there's also 'But not reckless', and approaching stuff without the info behind it, is kinda reckless IMO. Anyway, is there a wiki-wide consensus on how quotes for characters should be handled? Also, if there's a page on SDVWiki detailing Manual of Style or anything like that, I'd appreciate being linked to it.

Best regards! Matticusmadness (talk) 03:24, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Tomato

Doing what again? The change does not introduce any argument about which category a tomato falls in. It simply removes "ambiguity". The *status* is what is highlighted in Demetrius's event. And it's not an ambiguity that they talk about. I think Katzeus recommended that the issue be avoided. The word ambiguity brings the issue up. Leaving it out lets it rest. Reconsider please. Butterbur (talk) 05:35, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Signatures Edits needed?

Hi Margot. Thought I'd better run this by you before it risks becoming a bigger issue as my edit count increases

I noticed you tweaked my signature in your reply at talk:Marriage to remove the 'color' and 'sup style' modifications to the signature. Is there anything in the SDV Wiki Rules against signatures having different colours in them? I couldn't see anything about it in Help:Editing and it's never done me any trouble on Wikipedia or on Wikias (now 'fandom' s), plus I tweaked the 'color' when I modified the signature in 'preferences' so it could be read on SDVWiki's blue and green 'house style', so it's a little confusing as to why your edit to the signature felt warranted. The markup is, as you might have guessed, in my standard version of my signature (set in 'Preferences') now so if you want the 'color' and 'sup style' wiped out, let me know and I'll figure something else out for it.

After all, if it's breaking a rule, least I can do is fix things so it's not breaking said rule anymore, right? Heh... All the best! MM (Communications) (Crops) 02:37, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

I'd just like to leave the comment that the color modification makes the signature hard to read against certain standard backgrounds, at least on my machine. Butterbur (talk) 07:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Welcome Template

Hello, I'm Dove, or GamerGirl. I have created a welcome template page for your wiki, seems that it is obvious that every wiki needs a welcome template, as it is easy to use the template to welcome a new user rather than typing it out. Hope it helps! GamerGirl (talk) 15:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

'Journey Of The Prairie King' in JA

Hi! We need to move the page ja:アドベンチャー・オブ・Prairie King to correct translated name ja:アドベンチャー・オブ・プレーリーキング. Could you do it? FlameArche (talk) 19:44, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi FlameArche! I've responded on your talk page on the Japanese wiki. Cheers! margotbean (talk) 20:30, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Profile editing

Heyyy do you know how to edit your profiles description or do you have to be a high rank to do that? Ultrabobt (talk) 21:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

The Farmer in the Dell

It's ok. It's trivia after all. I thought it was cute and in keeping with the spirit of the game. But it's certainly not necessary. Butterbur (talk) 05:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

WP:REVDEL?

Hi Margot.

Do you have WP:REVDEL permissions? I could be wrong, but this edit feels to me like it could do with its edit summary being cut from Public View due to the email address in it.

Hope you're doing well. :) MM (Communications) (Crops) 21:07, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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Keeping version history up to date on the main page

The main page of the wiki hasn't been updated since March 14th and the mobile version numbers are falling behind. I thought you might have permissions for that page and could update it to reflect the current versions. Overlord Odin (talk) 03:48, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems our dear Admin has taken care of this already. My bad, I could have updated it sooner... Thanks for shooting me a message, next time I'll get to it quicker! margotbean (talk) 17:48, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Xbox transfer files to PC

Is it possible to hook up a pc or laptop to an Xbox and transfer your Stardew Valley save files? Or even without hooking anything up, would it be possible to share it via lan or something? Ultrabobt (talk) 17:30, 2 April 2019 (BST)

Deletion of Modding:Projects

Hi! You deleted 'Modding:Projects/Stardew Valley Expanded' and the related pages without discussion. Stardew Valley Expanded is a large mod which is very popular, and is currently overwhelming both the author's ability to support players and the community support channels. That's why we're working with the mod author to set up a community-maintained page in the new 'Modding:Projects' section. Could you explain why a 'Modding:Projects' section should be disallowed on the wiki? —Pathoschild (talk) 18:34, 14 April 2019 (BST)

The wiki isn't for FAQs about a particular mod. As I said in the comments to the edits, those belong on the forums or on nexus. The wiki isn't the place for forum overflow. margotbean (talk) 18:51, 14 April 2019 (BST)
The modding namespace is for mod guides and documentation, and I think that can include collaborative documentation about popular mods in a self-contained subsection. Collaborative pages require a wiki, they're not suitable for forums/Discord/Nexus. —Pathoschild (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2019 (BST)
Collaboration is entirely possible on the forums. margotbean (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2019 (BST)
Discussion is certainly possible on the forums, but collaborative editing isn't. To clarify: are you firmly opposed as a moderator to allowing a 'Modding:Projects' subsection, or are we just discussing possibilities? —Pathoschild (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2019 (BST)
I believe I've answered your question. FAQs about specific mods belong on nexus or the forums. The onus is on the author to keep the original post(s) updated with feedback from users. margotbean (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2019 (BST)
Alright. We'll look into alternate options to store modding documentation. —Pathoschild (talk) 19:31, 14 April 2019 (BST)

Deletion of search aids

Hi! You deleted the redirect pages I've added regarding the main defining features of a character you might not remember the name of like Gus as Bartender and... the doctor as the doctor. Yet you've kept Fabio as a redirect page just because I asked you to saying "All right, lol, because you actually signed your post, and only as a search aid, it can stay.".

You're right, Fabio is deleted as well. If you can't remember the villagers' names, go to the main page and click "Villagers". margotbean (talk) 22:16, 18 April 2019 (BST)
Whatever, keep being the wiki nazi I guess. --Barlakopofai (talk) 00:13, 19 April 2019 (BST)

Oh yeah also do you know how to make a redirect not appear in the search bar? It's clearly an option since some pages are case sensitive and don't automatically redirect if you type them in lowercase--Barlakopofai (talk) 20:53, 18 April 2019 (BST)

There is no way to make pages not appear in the search bar. All pages are case-sensitive, and the search is not as "smart" as say, a google search. If you type the name of a page using the wrong case, you will be taken to a page of results that contains the page you were looking for, usually as the first result. margotbean (talk) 22:16, 18 April 2019 (BST)