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:All that info is already on the page, players simply need to read it.  A wiki can do only so much for those who don't wish to "read every word".  The history section is also valuable for those who don't wish to read all that much. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 14:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

:All that info is already on the page, players simply need to read it.  A wiki can do only so much for those who don't wish to "read every word".  The history section is also valuable for those who don't wish to read all that much. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 14:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

::Respecfully I did "simply read" the page, I'm not one of the proposed people who "don't wish to read every word" (please don't make the assumption), white and black are '''shades, not colors''' the article statements you mention refer only to ''colors''. White '''is the literal ''absence'' of color''', meaning several statements on the page are incorrect, not my reading of it. The words "pants" or "skirts" appear nowhere, nor is it mentioned that putting ''one of each color item in each dye pot creates ''colors'' '''and shades such as black or white'''''--white being not dyeable '''at all''' (warranting elaboration). It also says: "a menu will pop up with '''color''' sliders (similar to the character creation menu) that allow you to choose any '''color'''", again black/white/grey are not colors. Also, more than just ''color'' sliders appear, hue/saturation/brightness sliders appear. Anyone with a novice understanding of color, paint, dying, graphics or web colors (or took an art class on high school even) may assume the same of analog-represented, dye pots colors), without proper mention of what is '''really''' contained therein. Even stating digital HSB (Hue Saturation Lightness) color/shade sliders appear would be much more clear. People with knowledge of color don't naturally think to try mixing or dying '''an absence of color''' using color, which is likely why there are posts asking about it elsewhere. It also wrongly states below the ''Dye Strength'' section first table: "Shown below is an expandable table of all items that can be used to dye '''clothing''' at the sewing machine," and it lists white items, except that white items ''cannot'' be used for pants or skirts at the sewing machine (an unmentioned exception?). All of this could be prevented by including an image of the sliders, even if reject correcting the proper terms in the text.

::Respecfully I did "simply read" the page, I'm not one of the proposed people who "don't wish to read every word" (please don't make the assumption), white and black are '''shades, not colors''' the article statements you mention refer only to ''colors''. White '''is the literal ''absence'' of color''', meaning several statements on the page are incorrect, not my reading of it. The words "pants" or "skirts" appear nowhere, nor is it mentioned that putting ''one of each color item in each dye pot creates ''colors'' '''and shades such as black or white'''''--white being not dyeable '''at all''' (warranting elaboration). It also says: "a menu will pop up with '''color''' sliders (similar to the character creation menu) that allow you to choose any '''color'''", again black/white/grey are not colors. Also, more than just ''color'' sliders appear, hue/saturation/brightness sliders appear. Anyone with a novice understanding of color, paint, dying, graphics or web colors (or took an art class on high school even) may assume the same of analog-represented, dye pots colors), without proper mention of what is '''really''' contained therein. Even stating digital HSB color/shade sliders appear would be much more clear. People with knowledge of color naturally don't think to try mixing or dying '''an absence of color''' by conbining color, which is likely why there are posts asking about it elsewhere. It also wrongly states below the ''Dye Strength'' section first table: "Shown below is an expandable table of all items that can be used to dye '''clothing''' at the sewing machine," and it lists white items, except that white items ''cannot'' be used for pants or skirts at the sewing machine (an unmentioned exception?). All of this could be prevented by including an image of the sliders, even if you reject correcting the incorrect terms with proper in the text.

::Please kindly quote where shade information is stated on the page, or any reference to dying pants/skirts, or making white pants/skirts. I don't know what page you are referring to, but the history section of this page also does not state this. It is quite unclear what that comment is related to (something, someone or from somewhere elsewhere perhaps). It is also not necessary to assume or implying that I didn’t read it, being open-minded and technically correct in the terms used would be appreciated instead.  

::Please kindly quote where shade (white/black) information is stated on the page, or any reference to dying pants/skirts, or making white pants/skirts. I don't know what page you are referring to, but the history section of this page also does not state this. It is quite unclear what that comment is related to (something, someone or from somewhere elsewhere perhaps). It is also not necessary to assume or implying that I didn’t read it, being open-minded and technically correct in the terms used would be appreciated instead.  

::I understand being pressed for time, though such things can be dealt with with an open mind regardless. Even asking a simple question "what would you change (suggest it here) so I can look later" would have been more helpful. What was stated landed more like: "since you can't be bothered to read whole pages, please start reading history notes".

::I understand being pressed for time, though such things can be dealt with with an open mind regardless. Even asking a simple question "what would you change (suggest it here) so I can look later" would have been more helpful. What was stated landed more like: "since you can't be bothered to read whole pages, please start reading history notes".

::If I am treated with fairness and decency (without assumptions or unfairness) I will respond in kind. If this wiki is truly a ''community'' project, then community-oriented discussion should be the norm. If it is not, that should be openly stated somewhere so as not to waste other's time as well as your own (understandable you have a lot on your plate).

::If I am treated with fairness and decency (without assumptions or unfairness) I will respond in kind. If this wiki is truly a ''community'' project, then community-oriented discussion should be the norm (including new/novice points of view). If it is not, that should be openly stated somewhere so as not to waste other's time as well as your own (understandable you have a lot on your plate). The fact remains, a person trying to dye for the first time cannot determine how to obtain the ''shade'' white for pants or skirts if they think in proper color terms as they have been taught.  

::[[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 20:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

::[[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 20:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)