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:All that info is already on the page, players simply need to read it.  A wiki can do only so much for those who don't wish to "read every word".  The history section is also valuable for those who don't wish to read all that much. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 14:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

:All that info is already on the page, players simply need to read it.  A wiki can do only so much for those who don't wish to "read every word".  The history section is also valuable for those who don't wish to read all that much. [[User:Margotbean|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean|talk]]) 14:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

::Respecfully I did read the page, white and black are '''shades, not colors''' and the article statements you mention refer only to ''colors''. Pure white is the literal absense of color. So, ''several statements on the page are incorrect, not my reading of it. The word "pants" appears nowhere, nor is it mentioned anywhere that putting ''one of each color item in each dye pot creates colors '''or shades such as black or white'''--of which white, is not normally dyeable '''at all''' and logically thus warrants the elaboration I requested. It also says: "a menu will pop up with '''color''' sliders (similar to the character creation menu) that allow you to choose any '''color'''" which again black and white and black are not. More than just ''color'' sliders appear also, hue/saturation/brightness also to achieve '''shades ''and'' colors''' in a mixer format. Anyone with a novice understanding of color, paint, dying, graphics or web colors (or took an art class on high school) may likely assume the same of analog-represented limited color dye pots, without proper mention of what is '''really''' contained therein. People who did k-12 art classes don't naturally think to try dying '''an absence of color''' which is likely why there are multiple posts about it elsewhere. It wrongly states below the ''Dye Strength'' section first table: "Shown below is an expandable table of all items that can be used to dye '''clothing''' at the sewing machine," and it lists white items, except the white items ''cannot'' be used for pants or skirts at the sewing machine '''at all''' (as far as I could tell since I tried several times, so this is incorrect or rather incomplete. I and several other friends tried this on mobile ''because'' of the misleading information here). Please kindly quote where the above listed information is '''correctly''' stated on the page. I don't know what page you are referring to, but the history section of this page also does not state this so it is quite unclear what that comment is related to (something else held on to from elsewhere perhaps). It is also not necessary to be condescending in the reply or assume or imply that I didn’t read it, being open-minded and technically correct would be appreciated instead.  

::Respecfully I did "simply read" the page, I'm not one of your proposed people who "don't wish to read every word" (and don't appreciate that assumption), white and black are '''shades, not colors''' and the article statements you mention refer only to ''colors''. White '''is the literal ''absence'' of color''', meaning several statements on the page are incorrect, rather than my reading of it. The word "pants" appears nowhere, nor is it mentioned anywhere that putting ''one of each color item in each dye pot creates colors '''and shades such as black or white'''''--of which white, is not normally dyeable '''at all'''. Pants are treated differently at the sewing machine, there is no mention of this. Logically white being dyeable thus warrants the elaboration requested. It also says: "a menu will pop up with '''color''' sliders (similar to the character creation menu) that allow you to choose any '''color'''" which again black and white and black (or grey) are not. Also, than just ''color'' sliders appear, hue/saturation/brightness appear to achieve '''shades, different hues ''and'' colors''' in a mixer format. Anyone with a novice understanding of color, paint, dying, graphics or web colors (or took an art class on high school even) may likely assume the same of analog-represented, limited, dye '''color''' pots (that are actual colors), without proper mention of what is '''really''' contained therein. Even stating HSB (Hue Saturation Lightness) color mixer sliders similar similar to that in an image program would be much, much more clear. People who even high school art classes don't naturally think to try mixing or dying '''an absence of color''' which is likely why there are posts asking about it elsewhere. It also wrongly states below the ''Dye Strength'' section first table: "Shown below is an expandable table of all items that can be used to dye '''clothing''' at the sewing machine," and it lists white items, except the white items ''cannot'' be used for pants or skirts at the sewing machine '''at all''' (as far as I could tell since I tried after my friends reported trying and failing, so this is incorrect or rather incomplete and thus ''misleading''. It did lead people to try and fail--thus misleading, which is avoidable with a proper description of what is to be found there and how it is usable.

::Frankly it is unfair to treat with hostility anyone who makes the mistake of making an administration-relation suggestion. I was treated fine on my first edits until that, then afterwards the hostility began and continued. It is not necessary, not appropriate, not acceptable, nor will I tolerate it (I see others have) without calling it out. Please refrain from doing so in the future, thank you. I will continue to defend respectfully but using logic and truthful observations each time. Fair is fair. If I am treated with fairness, kindness and respect, I will respond with fairness, kindness and respect.  

Please kindly quote where the above listed information is '''correctly''' stated on the page. I don't know what page you are referring to, but the history section of this page also does not state this so it is quite unclear what that comment is even related to (something or someone else from elsewhere perhaps). It is also not necessary to be condescend by assuming or implying that I didn’t read it, being open-minded and technically correct would be appreciated instead.

 

::I understand being pressed for time such things can dealt with with an open mind and flexibility. Asking a question rather than making an uncharitable assumption, such as: "can you elaborate here on what you would change so I can look later?" Even if you changed nothing it would be received better what amounts to: "since you couldn't be bothered to read, please start reading history notes" (that is unrelated, no idea why it was pulled in).

 

Fair is fair. If I am treated with fairness and decency (without uncharitable assumptions or unfairness) I will respond in kind. Otherwise I will continue to defend respectfully using logic and observation wherever warranted. If this wiki is truly a ''community'' project, then community-oriented discussion should be the norm.  

::[[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 20:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

::[[User:CrystalFlower|CrystalFlower]] ([[User talk:CrystalFlower|talk]]) 20:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)