Talk:Dyeing

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Make white with common sense spare/reproducible items

People ask on the forums and in Reddit how to create white pants/skirts for their character's wedding since the picture on the wiki display only as yellow/orange. Since there is no reference to white as a dyeable color at all (normally it isn't, and normally you'd never mix colors to get white, you'd start with white) this is incredibly unintuitive. Many seem to assume early on that white bottoms cant be made at all (they can). Players also can't start with white fabric for pants, the default is yellow/orange which helps to reinforce this perception along with most learning color theory that white is not a color that can be mixed. Because of this, many also don't expect white to appear in the color mixer, only discovering it much later in the game after the rainbow shell (or more precious for new folks, the prismatic shard) is not needed for other things, which is a shame. A screenshot of the color mixer would also be quite helpful to illustrate this, for folks that don't read every word.

Players can place one more readily available crystalariam-reproducible item of each color in the dye pots to trigger the color mixer, which allows players to select white (not obvious because it's not how dye works) and doesn't eat up non-reproducible items.

I'd add it but whatever I add gets reversed (obtainable in 1.5-only items marked as spoiler for confused mobile users that can't find them--because they can't actually get them at all), so would someone (sanctioned to) please be so kind as to add it? It is a shame for people to have to go to Reddit to find lots of stuff, would be great to have added here on the wiki. Thanks. :) CrystalFlower (talk) 03:30, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

All that info is already on the page, players simply need to read it. A wiki can do only so much for those who don't wish to "read every word". The history section is also valuable for those who don't wish to read all that much. margotbean (talk) 14:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Respecfully I did read the page, white and black are shades, not colors and the article statements you mention refer only to colors. So, several statements on the page are incorrect, not my reading of it. The word "pants" appears nowhere, nor is it mentioned anywhere that putting one of each color item in each dye pot creates colors or shades such as black or white--one of which, white, is not normally dyeable at all and logically thus warrants the elaboration I asked for. It also says: "a menu will pop up with color sliders (similar to the character creation menu) that allow you to choose any color" which white and black are not. It has more than just color sliders, hue and saturation also to achieve shades. Anyone with even a novice understanding of color, shades, saturation or dying is likely to assume the same about white since it can't normally be dyed, which is why I see multiple posts about it elsewhere. It wrongly states below Dye Strength first table: "Shown below is an expandable table of all items that can be used to dye clothing at the sewing machine," and it lists white items, except the white items cannot be used for pants or skirts at the sewing machine at all (so this is incorrect also, I tried on mobile because of the misleading information). Please kindly quote where the above listed information is correctly stated on the page. I don't know what page you are referring to, but the history section of this page also does not state this. It is also not necessary to be condescending in the reply, being technically correct would be appreciated instead.

Frankly it is unfair to treat with open hostility anyone who makes the mistake of making an administration-relation suggestion, I was treated fine on my first edits until that, then afterwards the hostility started and continuing as can be seen now. It is not necessary, not appropriate, not acceptable, nor will I put up with it (like I see others have) without calling it out. Please refrain from doing so in the future (I consider this unnecessary bullying) and I will defend myself adamantly, truthfully but still respectfully with logic each time. Thank you.

CrystalFlower (talk) 20:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)