Talk:Dyeing
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Make white with common sense spare/reproducible items
People ask on the forums and in Reddit how to create white pants/skirts for their character's wedding since the picture on the wiki display only as yellow/orange. Since there is no reference to white as a dyeable color at all (normally it isn't, and normally you'd never mix colors to get white, you'd start with white) this is incredibly unintuitive. Many seem to assume early on that white bottoms cant be made at all (they can). Players also can't start with white fabric for pants, the default is yellow/orange which helps to reinforce this perception along with most learning color theory that white is not a color that can be mixed. Because of this, many also don't expect white to appear in the color mixer, only discovering it much later in the game after the rainbow shell (or more precious for new folks, the prismatic shard) is not needed for other things, which is a shame. A screenshot of the color mixer would also be quite helpful to illustrate this, for folks that don't read every word.
Players can place one more readily available crystalariam-reproducible item of each color in the dye pots to trigger the color mixer, which allows players to select white (not obvious because it's not how dye works) and doesn't eat up non-reproducible items.
I'd add it but whatever I add gets reversed (obtainable in 1.5-only items marked as spoiler for confused mobile users that can't find them--because they can't actually get them at all), so would someone (sanctioned to) please be so kind as to add it? It is a shame for people to have to go to Reddit to find lots of stuff, would be great to have added here on the wiki. Thanks. :) CrystalFlower (talk) 03:30, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- All that info is already on the page, players simply need to read it. A wiki can do only so much for those who don't wish to "read every word". The history section is also valuable for those who don't wish to read all that much. margotbean (talk) 14:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Respecfully I did read the page, white and black are shades, not colors and the article statements you mention refer only to colors. Pure white is the literal absense of color. So, several statements on the page are incorrect, not my reading of it. The word "pants" appears nowhere, nor is it mentioned anywhere that putting one of each color item in each dye pot creates colors or shades such as black or white--of which white, is not normally dyeable at all and logically thus warrants the elaboration I requested. It also says: "a menu will pop up with color sliders (similar to the character creation menu) that allow you to choose any color" which again black and white and black are not. More than just color sliders appear also, hue/saturation/brightness also to achieve shades and colors in a mixer format. Anyone with a novice understanding of color, paint, dying, graphics or web colors (or took an art class on high school) may likely assume the same of analog-represented limited color dye pots, without proper mention of what is really contained therein. People who did k-12 art classes don't naturally think to try dying an absence of color which is likely why there are multiple posts about it elsewhere. It wrongly states below the Dye Strength section first table: "Shown below is an expandable table of all items that can be used to dye clothing at the sewing machine," and it lists white items, except the white items cannot be used for pants or skirts at the sewing machine at all (as far as I could tell since I tried several times, so this is incorrect or rather incomplete. I and several other friends tried this on mobile because of the misleading information here). Please kindly quote where the above listed information is correctly stated on the page. I don't know what page you are referring to, but the history section of this page also does not state this so it is quite unclear what that comment is related to (something else held on to from elsewhere perhaps). It is also not necessary to be condescending in the reply or assume or imply that I didn’t read it, being open-minded and technically correct would be appreciated instead.
- Frankly it is unfair to treat with hostility anyone who makes the mistake of making an administration-relation suggestion. I was treated fine on my first edits until that, then afterwards the hostility began and continued. It is not necessary, not appropriate, not acceptable, nor will I tolerate it (I see others have) without calling it out. Please refrain from doing so in the future, thank you. I will continue to defend respectfully but using logic and truthful observations each time. Fair is fair. If I am treated with fairness, kindness and respect, I will respond with fairness, kindness and respect.
- CrystalFlower (talk) 20:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)