Talk:Dyeing
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Make white with common sense spare/reproducible items
People ask on the forums and in Reddit how to create white pants/skirts for their character's wedding since the picture on the wiki display only as yellow/orange. Since there is no reference to white as a dyeable color at all (normally it isn't, and normally you'd never mix colors to get white, you'd start with white) this is incredibly unintuitive. Many seem to assume early on that white bottoms cant be made at all (they can). Players also can't start with white fabric for pants, the default is yellow/orange which helps to reinforce this perception along with most learning color theory that white is not a color that can be mixed. Because of this, many also don't expect white to appear in the color mixer, only discovering it much later in the game after the rainbow shell (or more precious for new folks, the prismatic shard) is not needed for other things, which is a shame. A screenshot of the color mixer would also be quite helpful to illustrate this, for folks that don't read every word.
Players can place one more readily available crystalariam-reproducible item of each color in the dye pots to trigger the color mixer, which allows players to select white (not obvious because it's not how dye works) and doesn't eat up non-reproducible items.
I'd add it but whatever I add gets reversed (obtainable in 1.5-only items marked as spoiler for confused mobile users that can't find them--because they can't actually get them at all), so would someone (sanctioned to) please be so kind as to add it? It is a shame for people to have to go to Reddit to find lots of stuff, would be great to have added here on the wiki. Thanks. :) CrystalFlower (talk) 03:30, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- All that info is already on the page, players simply need to read it. A wiki can do only so much for those who don't wish to "read every word". The history section is also valuable for those who don't wish to read all that much. margotbean (talk) 14:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Respecfully I did "simply read" the page, I'm not one of the proposed people who "don't wish to read every word" (please don't make the assumption), white and black are shades, not colors the article statements you mention refer only to colors. White is the literal absence of color, meaning several statements on the page are incorrect, not my reading of it. The words "pants" or "skirts" appear nowhere, nor is it mentioned anywhere that putting one of each color item in each dye pot creates colors and shades such as black or white--of which white, is not normally dyeable at all (hence why unintuitive/strange). Pants and skirts are also treated differently that other articles at the sewing machine for dying (they cannot begin with white). Logically white being inexplicably dyeable thus warrants the elaboration requested. It also says: "a menu will pop up with color sliders (similar to the character creation menu) that allow you to choose any color", again black and white and black (or grey) are not colors. Also, more than just color sliders appear, hue/saturation/brightness sliders appear to achieve shades, different hues and colors in a mixer format. Anyone with a novice understanding of color, paint, dying, graphics or web colors (or took an art class on high school) may likely assume the same of analog-represented, limited, dye color pots (that are actual colors), without proper mention of what is really contained therein. Even stating HSB (Hue Saturation Lightness) color mixer sliders similar to that in programs appear would be much more clear. People with even high school art classes don't naturally think to try mixing or dying an absence of color which is likely why there are posts asking about it elsewhere. It also wrongly states below the Dye Strength section first table: "Shown below is an expandable table of all items that can be used to dye clothing at the sewing machine," and it lists white items, except the white items cannot be used for pants or skirts at the sewing machine at all (as far as I could tell since I tried after my friends reported trying and failing, so this is incorrect or rather incomplete and thus misleading. It did lead people to try and fail--hence misleading, which is avoidable with a proper description of what is to be found there and how it is used.
- Please kindly quote where the above listed information is correctly stated on the page. I don't know what page you are referring to, but the history section of this page also does not state this so it is quite unclear what that comment is even related to (something or someone else from elsewhere perhaps). It is also not necessary to be condescend by assuming or implying that I didn’t read it, being open-minded and technically correct would be appreciated instead.
- I understand being pressed for time, though I such things can still dealt with with an open mind and some flexibility. Asking a question rather than making an uncharitable assumption, such as: "can you elaborate here on what you would change so I can look later?" Even if you changed nothing it would be received better what amounts to: "since you couldn't be bothered to read, please start reading history notes" (that is unrelated, no idea why it was pulled in).
- If I am treated with fairness and decency (without uncharitable assumptions or unfairness) I will respond in kind. Otherwise I will continue to defend respectfully using logic and observation wherever warranted. If this wiki is truly a community project, then community-oriented discussion should be the norm. If it is not, logically that should be openly stated somewhere so as not to waste other's time as well as your own.
- CrystalFlower (talk) 20:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)