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Fish Ponds {{name}} template changes

Hello! I have tried to edit the Fish Ponds page to include the {{name}} template, however you have reverted this change multiple times because it has to be introduced in all languages at once. This is pretty simple to do if there is a database/page with all the items' translations or a translation module in itself. Could you direct me to one if such exists?

Alternatively, tell me if you think this change better not be made. Thanks

Artoftheblue (talk) 17:25, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, Artoftheblue! I wish there were a translation db or module, but there is none. Everything has to be done manually. I think the best solution for now is what you did -- create a page in your user space that's formatted the way you prefer. Happy New Year! margotbean (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Hmmmm... I might have a way to do this without a translation module actually as all the pages in other languages have the corresponding names in the same places of the table. Also, is there any other way to contact you/the wiki editors community, like through Discord or are user talks like this the go-to thing? Artoftheblue (talk) 11:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah okay so the main issue is that most languages don't have a page that is updated to version 1.5. I was able to successfully introduce the change in English, German, Russian and Korean, because those pages are updated already. The Chinese page is weird -- although it's updated the latest version, there are some grammar peculiarities that I can't yet understand. Regarding other languages I could either update them now in their current state to follow the format in their current version or someone could notify me when the information about newer features would be added to them and I'll update them then Artoftheblue (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Talk pages are definitely the thing to do to communicate about the wiki.

When I said "the best solution is ..." I was trying to delicately say it would be better if the change were not made. The name template prevents proper sorting in languages other than English, and I think it makes certain sections of the table less readable. So, I would prefer all languages to remain plain text. The page you created in your user space is just fine, please feel free to continue to edit/change it as you wish.

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear before, but I want to thank you for your efforts and understanding! margotbean (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah well okay then -- and gladly my work wasn't manual so it's not an issue Artoftheblue (talk) 00:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I just had a look at the Chinese page and there are indeed many grammar related questions (the translation is incomplete). But I still would like to know what "some grammar peculiarities" are? Sizau (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

If I'm wrong, then Artoftheblue can correct me, but I believe they meant that when using google translate to read Chinese text, the result is a kind of word salad. All the words are there, but in different places than in English. Sometimes there are extra words that don't make sense. It basically means we don't speak or understand the Chinese language, and have to rely on online translators, which don't do a spectacular job of translating. margotbean (talk) 00:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Template for release note section intro?

Hi! Each release notes section has an intro in the form "Stardew Valley {version} for {platform} was released on {date}". That's duplicated for every version, which makes translation more tedious (and many wikis have patchy translations for it). What do you think of adding a template like {{release notes intro |Android |2023-01-10 |optional announcement link}} which would produce the translated text, so we could just copy the intro to each wiki as-is? —Pathoschild (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, I thought about this while I did my daily review of new changes to all the wikis today. My brutally honest thoughts, after some consideration:

• It would be a lot of work for you, and it's not strictly necessary
• The headings have been unified by a ZH editor in Chinese already, and that's the only language (other than English) that has had any activity by a native speaker in years (literally years)
• You would have to choose which translation is the best one, and I'm not aware that you speak all 12 languages (well, the 8 or so that have the page anyway)
• If a translator takes an interest in the page, there's a higher than 50% chance they won't understand what a template is, and will delete it, replacing it with plain text/links. Which means that I'll have to either put the template back, or adjust the template's translation to match what the native speaker typed. (More work for me)
• A text editor with find/replace can do the same job, and that would probably be what a translator would be more comfortable with (based on my experience).
• It would make sense to have the template used on all 3 version history pages (PC, Console, and Mobile), in all languages, so that's even more work (x36), and the PC version history page is kind of a mess in other languages from the hotfix template we created in English. (German still hasn't implemented it, but the page is translated, and I don't speak German, so... there it sits)

So, while I see where this idea came from, I just really don't want another template to translate and maintain. I know it seems like it would be less work in the end, but my experience says that it will actually be more work, and not a whole lot of payoff. margotbean (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Reformatting recipe tables to include translated headers?

Hello! I was taking a quick peek at the French version of the wiki and noticed a couple tables that had untranslated table headers for recipe tables, but they're just in wikitables sitting on the page, and I couldn't figure out how to get them to work nicely with the Recipes template :( A quick search for "Recipe Source" (on the fr wiki) should point toward the pages/tables in question, I'm just a bit stumped on how to contribute changes to those pages. e.g. on the (english) Oak_Resin#Recipes

{{Recipes|header|hide=buff,duration,restores}}
{{:Deluxe Speed-Gro|RecipeRow/NoBuffsHealthEnergy}}
|-
|[[File:Keg.png|center]]
|[[Keg]]
|{{Description|Keg}}
|{{name|Wood|30}}{{name|Copper Bar|1}}{{name|Iron Bar|1}}{{name|Oak Resin|1}}
|class="no-wrap"|[[File:Farming Skill Icon.png|24px|link=]] [[Farming]] Level 8
|N/A
{{Recipes|footer}}

If I'm understanding this correctly, the Deluxe Speed-Gro's infobox information is getting transcluded into the recipe template/oak resin page?, but the Keg row was just information formatted as a wiki table row within the recipe template, so is fixing those French pages just a matter of doing the latter? If this question doesn't make any sense I can try to explain it, I'm just trying to avoid making any sweeping changes when I don't know what the existing precedent is for this kind of work --Hexadecimal (talk) 06:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)