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Prismatic Jelly and Ectoplasm

Hello, I'm pretty sure you can gift villagers prismatic jelly and ectoplasm during their respective special order quest, I swear I saw the gift icon pops up as you pass by any NPC (not just the wizard) with it in your hotbar, though I've already completed the quest so I can't get you a screenshot. You can definitely gift it using the spawn feature by naming your character or animal [875][876]. Infiaria (talk) 08:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Infiaria! Correct you are, I have seen the gift box icon over villagers' heads too, but when you click on them, the game pops up an "Incorrect person" message in the lower left of the screen. If you wear a Burglar's Ring and get 2 of the item (without ID spawning), the same thing happens after you complete the quest and before the extra item disappears. So, except for very specific circumstances, the game makes sure the item is not giftable.

I will add a trivia note to the pages, similar to the one on the Stardrop page, that indicates the item can be spawned and given as a universally hated gift. ok? Thanks for pointing this out. margotbean (talk) 14:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Cheers, I didn't know that. Infiaria (talk) 14:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

*Bat Noises Intensify*

Heyo

I was playing Stardew Valley recently, and encountered a very unusual bug: I was going to fulfill a request for Lewis when, once I interacted with him, a bat sound effect played, and he jumped in surprise, then showed a hate bubble appear over his head. This continued to happen, regardless of what I did (Even shooting him with my master slingshot to see if I could trigger the dialogue for it! [It did not work, and just made me feel a little bad :/ ...]). Do you know anything about this? Fnaticlyric560 (talk) 21:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

You're wearing his pants. Atravita (talk) 22:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh God, you're right! I didn't even realize that! I was yet to get any cloth in that save, so I spent the 99 stone to make the staircase into shorts! I forgot they have the same properties as the regular shorts... Thanks though! Fnaticlyric560 (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Standardize hotfix format in version history

Hi! Hotfixes don't change the version number and they're usually small, so they're a bit awkward to show on Version History. We've historically handled them pretty inconsistently; for example:

• 1.5.5+ shows each hotfix as a separate release with its own section like 1.5.6 (hotfix 2022-12-22).
• 1.5.3 lists the hotfixes in the intro, then merges their changes into the main release with markers like ¹.
• 1.5.1 says some fixes were deployed in three unversioned hotfixes, then merges their changes into the main release without distinguishing them.

I want to standardize how they're handled, but I'm not sure what's the best format to use. What do you think of one section per version number, with hotfixes listed at the bottom (see mockup)? —Pathoschild (talk) 23:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Definitely the mockup! I dislike seeing "hotfix" in the headers and TOC in such a big font like v1.5.5; I do like v1.5.3, but if the little "1" or asterisk (or whatever marker we use to denote the hotfix) is accidentally deleted, then we may be searching page history for hours to reconcile it -- it's too fragile a system. I don't like losing info (like v1.5.1) at all.

The only thing I somewhat don't like about the mockup is that it violates the "newest version at the top" rule... but the hotfixes are unversioned, and the format makes sense within the version section.

So, there you have it, my vote is for the mockup 100%. :) margotbean (talk) 14:32, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

It was a bit harder to read in practice, so I tweaked the design to more clearly separate hotfixes from the main release. I migrated 1.5.3 through 1.5.6; how does that look? —Pathoschild (talk) 00:37, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind if I add my two cents. I like the new format in general, but I don't like that the dates of the hotfixes are buried in the middle/end of the section. If I look at the section for 1.5.6, it says, "Stardew Valley 1.5.6 was released on 21 December 2021." Unless I scroll down, I don't see that a hotfix was applied yesterday. I am misled into thinking I have the most recent version. So I would like the hotfixes to be acknowledged in that introductory sentence/paragraph. Unfortunately, doing that may force a change in how you introduce the hotfixes in the hotfix box. Zendowolf (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I made a couple of formatting tweaks to the gray box around the hotfixes, what do you think? Other than those formatting tweaks, I think it looks great! I don't see a way around having the hotfixes at the bottom of the section, but the gray box makes them stand out more. The alternative would be to start the section with a sentence describing a hotfix without first discussing the major release, which doesn't really make sense to me. I await your feedback, and please let me know when I can copy the new template to the other languages. Thank you!! margotbean (talk) 17:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Looks fine to me! —Pathoschild (talk) 17:11, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I tend to agree, so I added a note saying when the last hotfix was on the most current version, although whether or not we want to track that going forward is another debate. KNakamura (talk) 17:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

So, now we have the problem of v1.5.6 not matching the other versions again. I think we should mention the hotfixes in the intro paragraph for all versions, or none. Otherwise, the whole topic of standardization is moot. margotbean (talk) 17:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I've updated Template:MainLinks to the current version as of Jan. 18, so I've removed the "last hotfixed" sentence from Version History. Anyone who would like to add hotfix dates to the intro paragraphs for all versions is totally free to do so, I would not mind at all! Thank you, margotbean (talk) 17:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I added a sentence to each version that has a hotfix box to indicate the dates. I did not include a leading zero for the day (if less than 10), then noticed that some dates do have a leading zero and others do not. One date is Month DD, YYYY instead of DD Month YYYY. Should that be consistent, and if so, how? Zendowolf (talk) 20:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Zendowolf! It looks great! And it solves everyone's concerns.

Yes, the dates should absolutely be consistent. As for format, it's totally your choice. I only have 3 suggestions: (1) Keep the name of the month and don't substitute a number, (2) keep the year last, and (3) don't introduce "th" or "rd" (as in 14th or 3rd). If you have no preference, I suppose I like DD Month YYYY. It matches our signatures on talk pages, and it's understandable by people who normally put day first as well as us weird Americans who normally put month before day. But, if you strongly prefer Month DD, YYYY or another variant, go for it. :) Thank you again!! margotbean (talk) 20:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

While I was applying those changes, I noticed another issue. It looks like hotfixes for 1.5 were listed under 1.5.1. It's confusing because the release notes for the hotfixes were added to the 1.5.1 announcement, but the dates listed for the hotfixes were before the release of 1.5.1. I'm pretty sure it was "here's 1.5.1 and by the way, here's what we changed in the hotfixes we applied to 1.5" (also included in 1.5.1). I decided to Be Bold and change it, but if I'm wrong you can revert me. Zendowolf (talk) 22:18, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with the 1.5/1.5.1 fix. We were previously using an almost-fully-consistent international date format (like 05 December 2021) though; what's the benefit of editing the entire page to drop the zero-padding, instead of fixing the inconsistent ones? —Pathoschild (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I was trying to make them consistent. The non-padded ones are more prevalent nearer the top, so as I was scanning down deciding which way to go, they seemed pretty evenly split. Non-padded seems more human readable, so that's the way I went. Doesn't really matter to me as long as they're consistent and can be kept consistent. Zendowolf (talk) 08:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I prefer zero-padded for consistency (especially when showing dates in a list), but I guess the wiki uses non-zero-padded by default so we can go with that. —Pathoschild (talk) 17:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Drink Ginger ale?

Hey margotbean, I saw on the wiki home page discussion about the ginger island addition, and saw you said you are sick! I hope you feel better soon! (Try drinking ginger ale. It worked for me when I caught the flu 2 years back, and it works to remove negitive status effects in SDV so..?) Fnaticlyric560 (talk) 15:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Omg being sick sucks. Get well soon! Youngbassoon370 (talk) 23:51, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, thank you both very much! I was indeed sick, and I drank lots of ginger ale. I'm feeling better now, farming at almost 100%. ;) margotbean (talk) 17:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Good to hear! Fnaticlyric560 (talk) 18:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Glad to hear it! Ginger for what ails you! Hail ginger for the ginger hale! I'll bet a potent ginger candy could help clear the sinuses too. There's an idea for Ape for another cooking recipe! Giles (talk) 00:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, Maybe... Fnaticlyric560 (talk) 23:41, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Farm Maps

I saw that you edited Farm Maps to remove the link that I had. I respectfully disagree about its removal - I think that if someone wanted to select which map they were to play on, and wanted to start with Cabins preplaced, that would be essential information from the get-go. I think personally if I didn't know about the existence of the page that I made, I would come to Farm Maps first and not find the information I would want. Fortunately Multiplayer has that information, but I still this this is a more important place to have it. Thank you for adding the categories and adjusting the wording on the other pages. Sraw (talk) 22:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Sraw! Thank you for your polite comment. You've given me something to think about. When I first came to the wiki (6 years ago), I was a player looking for information about one of the quests, and I couldn't find it. Of course, the information was there, but it wasn't where I expected it to be. Your case is something similar.

I'm still not sure it really makes sense for the Farm Maps page to link to Cabins, but if it helps a new player find the information, I don't mind a link. I'll add one at the top of the page. Please let me know if you think this new link helps players find crucial info, or if it should be embedded in the body of the page. Thank you again! margotbean (talk) 17:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that design is perfect. Low distraction but people who are seeking will probably notice it. Thanks. Sraw (talk) 01:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Traveling Cart Stock

Hello, new to the wiki and wanted to contribute without making a mess of things. I noticed the Traveling Cart page has been marked as a stub because it hasn't been updated to 1.5. I looked through the code and any new items added in 1.5 either fall outside the id range or were added to the list of items that are offlimits for sale. This is true for the rotating stock and the furniture. So I don't see any differences between the traveling cart between 1.4 and 1.5 and think that the stub should be removed. Squigs44 (talk) 21:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! margotbean (talk) 15:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Just updated a bunch of other stub items, working through them. If someone could take a look at the edits I made to the Carpenters Shop rotating stock and make the formatting look better, that would be great. I got all the info in there but my formatting skills are not great. Squigs44 (talk) 03:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Wow, that was a lot of work, thank you!! The formatting seems fine, I don't think you gave yourself enough credit. I may tinker with it to see if it can be condensed, but everything is perfectly clear and readable as is. Many thanks again! margotbean (talk) 16:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Penny hates glass shards

The glass shard page says penny likes glass shards. She actually hates them MeganAsh7 (talk) 14:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello MeganAsh7! That is a change made in v1.5, which hasn't rolled out to mobile yet. If you check the page history, you can see the change listed there. margotbean (talk) 17:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Fish page editing

idk if im doing this right lol, but i think the fish page should definitely have the collection, as the other pages with corresponding collections do (artifacts, minerals, items shipped, and cooking) and some of the page have similar lengths, so for consistency's sake they should be removed from all or added back to fish Drein (talk) 06:00, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

You definitely have a point, Drein! I just wonder if there would be mutiny if they were removed from the existing pages... Perhaps we should try it and find out? margotbean (talk) 16:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Combat

Thanks for adding the code reference I forgot to add to the crit calculations for daggers QtheConqueror (talk) 22:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC)