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Fish Ponds {{name}} template changes

Hello! I have tried to edit the Fish Ponds page to include the {{name}} template, however you have reverted this change multiple times because it has to be introduced in all languages at once. This is pretty simple to do if there is a database/page with all the items' translations or a translation module in itself. Could you direct me to one if such exists?

Alternatively, tell me if you think this change better not be made. Thanks

Artoftheblue (talk) 17:25, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, Artoftheblue! I wish there were a translation db or module, but there is none. Everything has to be done manually. I think the best solution for now is what you did -- create a page in your user space that's formatted the way you prefer. Happy New Year! margotbean (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Hmmmm... I might have a way to do this without a translation module actually as all the pages in other languages have the corresponding names in the same places of the table. Also, is there any other way to contact you/the wiki editors community, like through Discord or are user talks like this the go-to thing? Artoftheblue (talk) 11:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah okay so the main issue is that most languages don't have a page that is updated to version 1.5. I was able to successfully introduce the change in English, German, Russian and Korean, because those pages are updated already. The Chinese page is weird -- although it's updated the latest version, there are some grammar peculiarities that I can't yet understand. Regarding other languages I could either update them now in their current state to follow the format in their current version or someone could notify me when the information about newer features would be added to them and I'll update them then Artoftheblue (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Talk pages are definitely the thing to do to communicate about the wiki.

When I said "the best solution is ..." I was trying to delicately say it would be better if the change were not made. The name template prevents proper sorting in languages other than English, and I think it makes certain sections of the table less readable. So, I would prefer all languages to remain plain text. The page you created in your user space is just fine, please feel free to continue to edit/change it as you wish.

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear before, but I want to thank you for your efforts and understanding! margotbean (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah well okay then -- and gladly my work wasn't manual so it's not an issue Artoftheblue (talk) 00:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I just had a look at the Chinese page and there are indeed many grammar related questions (the translation is incomplete). But I still would like to know what "some grammar peculiarities" are? Sizau (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

If I'm wrong, then Artoftheblue can correct me, but I believe they meant that when using google translate to read Chinese text, the result is a kind of word salad. All the words are there, but in different places than in English. Sometimes there are extra words that don't make sense. It basically means we don't speak or understand the Chinese language, and have to rely on online translators, which don't do a spectacular job of translating. margotbean (talk) 00:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Template for release note section intro?

Hi! Each release notes section has an intro in the form "Stardew Valley {version} for {platform} was released on {date}". That's duplicated for every version, which makes translation more tedious (and many wikis have patchy translations for it). What do you think of adding a template like {{release notes intro |Android |2023-01-10 |optional announcement link}} which would produce the translated text, so we could just copy the intro to each wiki as-is? —Pathoschild (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, I thought about this while I did my daily review of new changes to all the wikis today. My brutally honest thoughts, after some consideration:

• It would be a lot of work for you, and it's not strictly necessary
• The headings have been unified by a ZH editor in Chinese already, and that's the only language (other than English) that has had any activity by a native speaker in years (literally years)
• You would have to choose which translation is the best one, and I'm not aware that you speak all 12 languages (well, the 8 or so that have the page anyway)
• If a translator takes an interest in the page, there's a higher than 50% chance they won't understand what a template is, and will delete it, replacing it with plain text/links. Which means that I'll have to either put the template back, or adjust the template's translation to match what the native speaker typed. (More work for me)
• A text editor with find/replace can do the same job, and that would probably be what a translator would be more comfortable with (based on my experience).
• It would make sense to have the template used on all 3 version history pages (PC, Console, and Mobile), in all languages, so that's even more work (x36), and the PC version history page is kind of a mess in other languages from the hotfix template we created in English. (German still hasn't implemented it, but the page is translated, and I don't speak German, so... there it sits)

So, while I see where this idea came from, I just really don't want another template to translate and maintain. I know it seems like it would be less work in the end, but my experience says that it will actually be more work, and not a whole lot of payoff. margotbean (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Reformatting recipe tables to include translated headers?

Hello! I was taking a quick peek at the French version of the wiki and noticed a couple tables that had untranslated table headers for recipe tables, but they're just in wikitables sitting on the page, and I couldn't figure out how to get them to work nicely with the Recipes template :( A quick search for "Recipe Source" (on the fr wiki) should point toward the pages/tables in question, I'm just a bit stumped on how to contribute changes to those pages. e.g. on the (english) Oak_Resin#Recipes

{{Recipes|header|hide=buff,duration,restores}}
{{:Deluxe Speed-Gro|RecipeRow/NoBuffsHealthEnergy}}
|-
|[[File:Keg.png|center]]
|[[Keg]]
|{{Description|Keg}}
|{{name|Wood|30}}{{name|Copper Bar|1}}{{name|Iron Bar|1}}{{name|Oak Resin|1}}
|class="no-wrap"|[[File:Farming Skill Icon.png|24px|link=]] [[Farming]] Level 8
|N/A
{{Recipes|footer}}

If I'm understanding this correctly, the Deluxe Speed-Gro's infobox information is getting transcluded into the recipe template/oak resin page?, but the Keg row was just information formatted as a wiki table row within the recipe template, so is fixing those French pages just a matter of doing the latter? If this question doesn't make any sense I can try to explain it, I'm just trying to avoid making any sweeping changes when I don't know what the existing precedent is for this kind of work --Hexadecimal (talk) 06:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I think you understand it correctly -- Deluxe Speed-Gro is being transcluded, and the rest is just wikitext added to the table.

I found only 6 pages that contain "Recipe Source", so it shouldn't be a huge project to translate the headers using simple wikitext. I had to find the pages with admin tools (the normal search gave too many false results), so I'll give you a list, for convenience:

• Aile de chauve-souris
• Fabrication
• Fragments d'os
• Marbre
• Minerai d'iridium
• Sirop d'érable

Again, please translate the headers using simple wikitext! Thank you, margotbean (talk) 19:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

User talk to Margotbean(from Killa)

Hello Margotbean! Thank you for acknowledging my edit. I'll explain the bug I encountered.

When I first entered the Forge from ninth floor, I acquired the prismatic shard from the rare chest there. Then I went to sleep and saved the game. However, after I reopened the game the next day and entered the forge from the quick entrance (the entrance that can get you from the start of the volcanic dungeon to the Forge), the rare chest is still there, remaining unopened. I figured out that if I saved the file and reload the game, then the chest will still remain unopened, giving me the opportunity to farm prismatic shards (and also for those who need one lol).

Then I finished the volcanic dungeon from 1st floor to 9th floor again, and when I entered the Forge from 9th floor the chest is no longer there. It seems to me now that if players opened the chest and finish the volcano dungeon again, with no reloading save files in the interval, then the chest will disappear. I wonder if this solves your question. With regards, Killa (talk) 22:44, 14 January 2023

Wow, Killa, yes, thanks for the explanation. I meant to test this over a week ago, and I've been so busy, it slipped through the cracks! I still haven't tested it for myself, but I've adjusted the explanation to include what you added here. Thank you so very much!! margotbean (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Artifact spot Golden Coconut edit

Hey there!

I edited the Artifact spot page and changed the amount of golden coconuts you can receive from an artifact spot from 1 to 1-3 as I myself had gotten 3 from one spot and noticed the discrepancy on the wiki. I'm happy to find and reference the code, however I'm not sure exactly how to get there and I've got no idea where to start if I was to google it. Just wondering if you were aware on how I'd be able to find the necessary code and reference the change? Thanks :)

Sillybugger3000 (talk) 08:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello! The answer to your question depends on your level of experience with computer code, I think. First, try decompiling the game code, and look at the methods referenced in the "References" section on the Artifact Spot page. #7 is the most appropriate place to start. If you can find digUpArtifactSpot, you'll see that an artifact spot should only produce one of item #791 (the Golden Coconut). (If you unpack the game files, you'll find the item ID for golden coconut in Data\ObjectInformation.xnb.)

If all of that works out, then you can start to try to find the source of the extra coconuts.

If all of that doesn't work out so well, then I have to put researching it on my "to do" list.

If you were using a hoe with the Archaeologist enchantment, that would explain one extra coconut, but not a third.

Please let me know how this goes. We want the wiki to be accurate! Thanks so much, margotbean (talk) 19:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Luck Page

Hello, I would ask you to reconsider your position on my addition of the "rocks calculation" to the Luck page.

Your reasoning is "The page doesn't need to make sense in general"

I do believe the purpose of this wiki is to inform the readers, and 99% of the Stardew community has no idea how Luck works, and is not helped by the page.

The most important and relevant instance of Luck is in the Mines. You can verify with a Google search or a Reddit search. When people see a good luck day on TV, they head to the mines. It's what most people know Luck for.

I believe you are doing the community a disservice by not having the formula for rocks and how luck affects it on the Luck page.

Even if that whole page was deleted, and only the one line of calculation was there, I believe it would be more helpful to a reader, that's how important I think it is.

Whether you want to reword it, or make a new page which the Luck page references, the luck formula for rocks should be known to the people. Amen.

1 question

Are you actually an admin because I have found multiple people who say they are but there really not I was just wondering you don't have to answer and if you do answer I want to check if your an admin by asking you who is the villager with orange hair and is female Kingpug100 (talk) 02:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Stardops being "steam-specific"

Hi, I'm new, just created an account to edit the Stardrop article, which incorrectly says that "Mystery Of The Stardrops" is "steam-specific" and it was reverted right away. I can't add external links here, but if you google "Mystery Of The Stardrops xbox achievement" or "Mystery Of The Stardrops playstation trophy" you can see that it exists on both platforms. -- unsigned comment by Cody (talk) 13:23, 14 February 2023

Hello Cody, I've answered your question on the Stardrop talk page. margotbean (talk) 19:09, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I found hidden shop at stardew valley fair!

I think it's not yet on the wiki. :O It sells star tokens for 50g per piece, the location is behind the tree beside alex's house. I attach twitter link to the screenshots i took. twitter.com/anggeryccount/status/1630246981640794115?t=YUvtxj_8QHdKPHsEEsTOgQ&s=19

There's also someone hidden u can talk to behind harvey clinic, but they are just saying "Please stand at the red arrow." Which is just the strength hammering game. So i think that's not really important. Ry (talk) 16:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh, wait i guess it has the same function as one of the stand available, never mind, then. Ry (talk) 16:56, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

The person behind Harvey's Clinic bug was removed in v1.5, but accessing the stand that sells star tokens is still a bug in v1.5. I'll report it on the forums so it can be fixed! Thank you, margotbean (talk) 17:13, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh, anyhow I play in Nintendo Switch. So who knows the Stardew on PC has been fixed! I understand that sometimes the port on switch kinda lagging behind in term of updates. Ry (talk) 13:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Caroline trivia

Hi Margotbean. I’m Howdoyoufindacheesetaco and I was the one who added the trivia about Caroline’s “Secret Walks”. I am aware it is in quotes, the reason I added it was because people normally don’t look at quotes and adding it in trivia would make people more aware of this.

Thanks.

Howdoyoufindacheesetaco, March 4, 2023 21:27

It's a reasonable thing to think, it's just that I disagree that the information needs to be on the page twice. I do, however, appreciate your efforts to make the wiki better. Happy farming to you! margotbean (talk) 22:17, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Something I Saw On Catalogs' Pages

Hello, as I look at Furniture Catalogue and Catalogue pages;

• In the second line in Furniture Catalogue, "right clicking" phrase is used with template:key.
• In the second line in Catalogue, "right clicking" phrase is used with a "right clicking mouse" image.

I just saw this difference and wanted to tell this, if this was a mistake or on purpose. Thank you! Peaw (talk) 14:34, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Peaw! It's a mistake. You can use the right-click image instead of Template:Key in Turkish, and if you want to change the English wiki, that would be a bonus. :) margotbean (talk) 15:56, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I fixed it in both wikis, thank you! Peaw (talk) 16:33, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Stardew Valley Helpers

Can you tell me if this app (at https://stardew.selbysaurus.me/) has gone defunct? Thanks! Giles (talk) 15:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I sure hope not! At least, not forever. It's not working for me right now either, but I viewed it this past week and it was fine. 🤞 margotbean (talk) 16:14, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks much! I use it regularly also, and it went out about 24 hours ago. I've seen blips of a few hours before, but never this long. I just don't recognize the ".me" portion of the url, so I have no idea if it's hosted by an individual or by an organization - hence I don't know what to expect as regards responsiveness or long-term support. Giles (talk) 19:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, thanks to the wayback machine, I found that the source is still on github: https://github.com/rickselby/stardew-helpers/ (yay)

I always thought ".me" meant the site was hosted in Mexico. Probably not always true, but in any case, the source on github indicates that the site is meant to be active, and hopefully the server error will be resolved soon! margotbean (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Of course! Mexico! Thanks. It's back up. Giles (talk) 18:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Wahoo!! I'm really relieved. Someday when more pressing projects are finished, I'd like to overhaul the villagers' schedules, and that website will be a valuable resource in doing so. margotbean (talk) 20:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)