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Fish Ponds {{name}} template changes

Hello! I have tried to edit the Fish Ponds page to include the {{name}} template, however you have reverted this change multiple times because it has to be introduced in all languages at once. This is pretty simple to do if there is a database/page with all the items' translations or a translation module in itself. Could you direct me to one if such exists?

Alternatively, tell me if you think this change better not be made. Thanks

Artoftheblue (talk) 17:25, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, Artoftheblue! I wish there were a translation db or module, but there is none. Everything has to be done manually. I think the best solution for now is what you did -- create a page in your user space that's formatted the way you prefer. Happy New Year! margotbean (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Hmmmm... I might have a way to do this without a translation module actually as all the pages in other languages have the corresponding names in the same places of the table. Also, is there any other way to contact you/the wiki editors community, like through Discord or are user talks like this the go-to thing? Artoftheblue (talk) 11:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah okay so the main issue is that most languages don't have a page that is updated to version 1.5. I was able to successfully introduce the change in English, German, Russian and Korean, because those pages are updated already. The Chinese page is weird -- although it's updated the latest version, there are some grammar peculiarities that I can't yet understand. Regarding other languages I could either update them now in their current state to follow the format in their current version or someone could notify me when the information about newer features would be added to them and I'll update them then Artoftheblue (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Talk pages are definitely the thing to do to communicate about the wiki.

When I said "the best solution is ..." I was trying to delicately say it would be better if the change were not made. The name template prevents proper sorting in languages other than English, and I think it makes certain sections of the table less readable. So, I would prefer all languages to remain plain text. The page you created in your user space is just fine, please feel free to continue to edit/change it as you wish.

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear before, but I want to thank you for your efforts and understanding! margotbean (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah well okay then -- and gladly my work wasn't manual so it's not an issue Artoftheblue (talk) 00:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I just had a look at the Chinese page and there are indeed many grammar related questions (the translation is incomplete). But I still would like to know what "some grammar peculiarities" are? Sizau (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

If I'm wrong, then Artoftheblue can correct me, but I believe they meant that when using google translate to read Chinese text, the result is a kind of word salad. All the words are there, but in different places than in English. Sometimes there are extra words that don't make sense. It basically means we don't speak or understand the Chinese language, and have to rely on online translators, which don't do a spectacular job of translating. margotbean (talk) 00:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Template for release note section intro?

Hi! Each release notes section has an intro in the form "Stardew Valley {version} for {platform} was released on {date}". That's duplicated for every version, which makes translation more tedious (and many wikis have patchy translations for it). What do you think of adding a template like {{release notes intro |Android |2023-01-10 |optional announcement link}} which would produce the translated text, so we could just copy the intro to each wiki as-is? —Pathoschild (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, I thought about this while I did my daily review of new changes to all the wikis today. My brutally honest thoughts, after some consideration:

• It would be a lot of work for you, and it's not strictly necessary
• The headings have been unified by a ZH editor in Chinese already, and that's the only language (other than English) that has had any activity by a native speaker in years (literally years)
• You would have to choose which translation is the best one, and I'm not aware that you speak all 12 languages (well, the 8 or so that have the page anyway)
• If a translator takes an interest in the page, there's a higher than 50% chance they won't understand what a template is, and will delete it, replacing it with plain text/links. Which means that I'll have to either put the template back, or adjust the template's translation to match what the native speaker typed. (More work for me)
• A text editor with find/replace can do the same job, and that would probably be what a translator would be more comfortable with (based on my experience).
• It would make sense to have the template used on all 3 version history pages (PC, Console, and Mobile), in all languages, so that's even more work (x36), and the PC version history page is kind of a mess in other languages from the hotfix template we created in English. (German still hasn't implemented it, but the page is translated, and I don't speak German, so... there it sits)

So, while I see where this idea came from, I just really don't want another template to translate and maintain. I know it seems like it would be less work in the end, but my experience says that it will actually be more work, and not a whole lot of payoff. margotbean (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Reformatting recipe tables to include translated headers?

Hello! I was taking a quick peek at the French version of the wiki and noticed a couple tables that had untranslated table headers for recipe tables, but they're just in wikitables sitting on the page, and I couldn't figure out how to get them to work nicely with the Recipes template :( A quick search for "Recipe Source" (on the fr wiki) should point toward the pages/tables in question, I'm just a bit stumped on how to contribute changes to those pages. e.g. on the (english) Oak_Resin#Recipes

{{Recipes|header|hide=buff,duration,restores}}
{{:Deluxe Speed-Gro|RecipeRow/NoBuffsHealthEnergy}}
|-
|[[File:Keg.png|center]]
|[[Keg]]
|{{Description|Keg}}
|{{name|Wood|30}}{{name|Copper Bar|1}}{{name|Iron Bar|1}}{{name|Oak Resin|1}}
|class="no-wrap"|[[File:Farming Skill Icon.png|24px|link=]] [[Farming]] Level 8
|N/A
{{Recipes|footer}}

If I'm understanding this correctly, the Deluxe Speed-Gro's infobox information is getting transcluded into the recipe template/oak resin page?, but the Keg row was just information formatted as a wiki table row within the recipe template, so is fixing those French pages just a matter of doing the latter? If this question doesn't make any sense I can try to explain it, I'm just trying to avoid making any sweeping changes when I don't know what the existing precedent is for this kind of work --Hexadecimal (talk) 06:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I think you understand it correctly -- Deluxe Speed-Gro is being transcluded, and the rest is just wikitext added to the table.

I found only 6 pages that contain "Recipe Source", so it shouldn't be a huge project to translate the headers using simple wikitext. I had to find the pages with admin tools (the normal search gave too many false results), so I'll give you a list, for convenience:

• Aile de chauve-souris
• Fabrication
• Fragments d'os
• Marbre
• Minerai d'iridium
• Sirop d'érable

Again, please translate the headers using simple wikitext! Thank you, margotbean (talk) 19:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

User talk to Margotbean(from Killa)

Hello Margotbean! Thank you for acknowledging my edit. I'll explain the bug I encountered.

When I first entered the Forge from ninth floor, I acquired the prismatic shard from the rare chest there. Then I went to sleep and saved the game. However, after I reopened the game the next day and entered the forge from the quick entrance (the entrance that can get you from the start of the volcanic dungeon to the Forge), the rare chest is still there, remaining unopened. I figured out that if I saved the file and reload the game, then the chest will still remain unopened, giving me the opportunity to farm prismatic shards (and also for those who need one lol).

Then I finished the volcanic dungeon from 1st floor to 9th floor again, and when I entered the Forge from 9th floor the chest is no longer there. It seems to me now that if players opened the chest and finish the volcano dungeon again, with no reloading save files in the interval, then the chest will disappear. I wonder if this solves your question. With regards, Killa (talk) 22:44, 14 January 2023

Wow, Killa, yes, thanks for the explanation. I meant to test this over a week ago, and I've been so busy, it slipped through the cracks! I still haven't tested it for myself, but I've adjusted the explanation to include what you added here. Thank you so very much!! margotbean (talk) 02:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Artifact spot Golden Coconut edit

Hey there!

I edited the Artifact spot page and changed the amount of golden coconuts you can receive from an artifact spot from 1 to 1-3 as I myself had gotten 3 from one spot and noticed the discrepancy on the wiki. I'm happy to find and reference the code, however I'm not sure exactly how to get there and I've got no idea where to start if I was to google it. Just wondering if you were aware on how I'd be able to find the necessary code and reference the change? Thanks :)

Sillybugger3000 (talk) 08:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello! The answer to your question depends on your level of experience with computer code, I think. First, try decompiling the game code, and look at the methods referenced in the "References" section on the Artifact Spot page. #7 is the most appropriate place to start. If you can find digUpArtifactSpot, you'll see that an artifact spot should only produce one of item #791 (the Golden Coconut). (If you unpack the game files, you'll find the item ID for golden coconut in Data\ObjectInformation.xnb.)

If all of that works out, then you can start to try to find the source of the extra coconuts.

If all of that doesn't work out so well, then I have to put researching it on my "to do" list.

If you were using a hoe with the Archaeologist enchantment, that would explain one extra coconut, but not a third.

Please let me know how this goes. We want the wiki to be accurate! Thanks so much, margotbean (talk) 19:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Luck Page

Hello, I would ask you to reconsider your position on my addition of the "rocks calculation" to the Luck page.

Your reasoning is "The page doesn't need to make sense in general"

I do believe the purpose of this wiki is to inform the readers, and 99% of the Stardew community has no idea how Luck works, and is not helped by the page.

The most important and relevant instance of Luck is in the Mines. You can verify with a Google search or a Reddit search. When people see a good luck day on TV, they head to the mines. It's what most people know Luck for.

I believe you are doing the community a disservice by not having the formula for rocks and how luck affects it on the Luck page.

Even if that whole page was deleted, and only the one line of calculation was there, I believe it would be more helpful to a reader, that's how important I think it is.

Whether you want to reword it, or make a new page which the Luck page references, the luck formula for rocks should be known to the people. Amen.

1 question

Are you actually an admin because I have found multiple people who say they are but there really not I was just wondering you don't have to answer and if you do answer I want to check if your an admin by asking you who is the villager with orange hair and is female Kingpug100 (talk) 02:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Stardops being "steam-specific"

Hi, I'm new, just created an account to edit the Stardrop article, which incorrectly says that "Mystery Of The Stardrops" is "steam-specific" and it was reverted right away. I can't add external links here, but if you google "Mystery Of The Stardrops xbox achievement" or "Mystery Of The Stardrops playstation trophy" you can see that it exists on both platforms. -- unsigned comment by Cody (talk) 13:23, 14 February 2023

Hello Cody, I've answered your question on the Stardrop talk page. margotbean (talk) 19:09, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I found hidden shop at stardew valley fair!

I think it's not yet on the wiki. :O It sells star tokens for 50g per piece, the location is behind the tree beside alex's house. I attach twitter link to the screenshots i took. twitter.com/anggeryccount/status/1630246981640794115?t=YUvtxj_8QHdKPHsEEsTOgQ&s=19

There's also someone hidden u can talk to behind harvey clinic, but they are just saying "Please stand at the red arrow." Which is just the strength hammering game. So i think that's not really important. Ry (talk) 16:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh, wait i guess it has the same function as one of the stand available, never mind, then. Ry (talk) 16:56, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

The person behind Harvey's Clinic bug was removed in v1.5, but accessing the stand that sells star tokens is still a bug in v1.5. I'll report it on the forums so it can be fixed! Thank you, margotbean (talk) 17:13, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh, anyhow I play in Nintendo Switch. So who knows the Stardew on PC has been fixed! I understand that sometimes the port on switch kinda lagging behind in term of updates. Ry (talk) 13:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Caroline trivia

Hi Margotbean. I’m Howdoyoufindacheesetaco and I was the one who added the trivia about Caroline’s “Secret Walks”. I am aware it is in quotes, the reason I added it was because people normally don’t look at quotes and adding it in trivia would make people more aware of this.

Thanks.

Howdoyoufindacheesetaco, March 4, 2023 21:27

It's a reasonable thing to think, it's just that I disagree that the information needs to be on the page twice. I do, however, appreciate your efforts to make the wiki better. Happy farming to you! margotbean (talk) 22:17, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Something I Saw On Catalogs' Pages

Hello, as I look at Furniture Catalogue and Catalogue pages;

• In the second line in Furniture Catalogue, "right clicking" phrase is used with template:key.
• In the second line in Catalogue, "right clicking" phrase is used with a "right clicking mouse" image.

I just saw this difference and wanted to tell this, if this was a mistake or on purpose. Thank you! Peaw (talk) 14:34, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Peaw! It's a mistake. You can use the right-click image instead of Template:Key in Turkish, and if you want to change the English wiki, that would be a bonus. :) margotbean (talk) 15:56, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I fixed it in both wikis, thank you! Peaw (talk) 16:33, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Stardew Valley Helpers

Can you tell me if this app (at https://stardew.selbysaurus.me/) has gone defunct? Thanks! Giles (talk) 15:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I sure hope not! At least, not forever. It's not working for me right now either, but I viewed it this past week and it was fine. 🤞 margotbean (talk) 16:14, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks much! I use it regularly also, and it went out about 24 hours ago. I've seen blips of a few hours before, but never this long. I just don't recognize the ".me" portion of the url, so I have no idea if it's hosted by an individual or by an organization - hence I don't know what to expect as regards responsiveness or long-term support. Giles (talk) 19:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, thanks to the wayback machine, I found that the source is still on github: https://github.com/rickselby/stardew-helpers/ (yay)

I always thought ".me" meant the site was hosted in Mexico. Probably not always true, but in any case, the source on github indicates that the site is meant to be active, and hopefully the server error will be resolved soon! margotbean (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Of course! Mexico! Thanks. It's back up. Giles (talk) 18:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Wahoo!! I'm really relieved. Someday when more pressing projects are finished, I'd like to overhaul the villagers' schedules, and that website will be a valuable resource in doing so. margotbean (talk) 20:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm probably not typical in what I notice in the wiki, but I'll be glad when the schedules project reaches the active stage. It's the single element of the wiki where I consistently find unreliable information, to my continuing disappointment. Earlier on, I tried observing and and carefully documenting what I found, only to have others who claimed to "read the code" replace it less helpful and sometimes incorrect stuff, and it just wasn't my game to track down introduced errors. I have also found that the segments of game code that others have put up for examination only includes timings for when characters *begin* to move from one location to another, never when they *arrive*. Especially in longer walks, those can both be important reference points. So whatever you're planning, I hope it will be more comprehensive than what a decoding can produce.

I also dislike the "deviations" technique of presentation. It just makes you have to look two places instead of one. A "deviation" isn't really that, it's just an overriding priority, so one prioritized list ought to work better.

Finally, I dislike the headings "before the community center is done" and the "after". Either a player is before or after that milestone. If a character consistently changes behavior after, that complete schedule should be split down the middle "before" and "after", even if some pieces match either way. Seasons are already split this way, and this is the other big piece of schedule (even bigger) that will help reduce complexity inside the detail portions. Otherwise, the lookup process is just a hassle or resolve clearly.

Didn't mean to go into such a treatise. I guess I'm more frustrated by schedules than I thought. I hope the thoughts may help with a new plan. I just don't have the energy for that level of cleanup any more. Giles (talk) 23:19, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I definitely appreciate the feedback! I am frustrated by the state of villager schedules, and have been for about 6 years now. I agree, the "deviations" section is not the best way to present info; I'd like to get rid of it and integrate deviations into the main schedules.

Sometime in 2020 or so, I stalked Sebastian for several weeks (real time), because his schedule file is the most confusing. I found that his actual behavior deviated from the schedule file, because it took him longer to walk from his bedroom to the kitchen than expected. The schedule file assumed it took maybe 20 in-game minutes, when it took 30-40 (or something similar). Therefore, he reached the kitchen later, stayed for one 10-minute tick of the clock, then returned to his bedroom. I learned then that the schedule file is not the ultimate guide it ought to be.

Someday I will have all other more pressing projects done, and I'll be able to fix schedules. Someday... someday... someday... *sigh*

Again, I will take your comments into account. Thanks so much!! margotbean (talk) 02:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Alternatives

margotbean It seems you're trying to maintain "total editorial control" over the content here, as though this were official documentation (rather than community). Have you considered software specifically designed for that scenario, rather than wiki software? Where I work there is a ton of official documentation where we need to guarantee quality for the reader. Publication can be controlled Git, combined with DocFX (there are similar technologies as well). Given how you run things, I suspect this would make your life much, much, much easier and is a better fit for what you're trying to accomplish. The flow requires contributors to do a "pull request", whereupon it can be discussed/approved/rejected. You would no longer be on the hook to "react" to changes made in the visible articles, since the pull request requires your approval before any change is made. This is vital to maintain one's sanity. Seriously, I can't believe you actually watch the page all day and react to everything. Impressive and dedicated, yes, but if I'm being honest, it's quite stifling. I feel like I'm trying to contribute to "your" documentation project.

You could probably continue with the wiki approach if you really want to, but at the very least I would advise canonizing a lot of your opinions into the Help:Editing section, so that people know what to expect. For example, wikis typically need to repeat information in multiple pages for ease of reading, but you would prefer to have each fact presented only in a single article (presumably for maintainability/translation reasons), and this may be another sign this wiki may have graduated a public editing stage, and is instead more of an official docs site. I was also confused as to why we're not allowed to guide the player in any way. Seems inconsistent, as tons of pages on this site offer various "advice" and "tips" that help new players understand the thinking of a more seasoned player. Whatever the scope of the documentation (be it "fact dump" or "Helpful tips"), the intended scope should be explained somewhere. Canonizing those expectations fosters discussion on the guidelines. I'm sure some people want the "facts", other folks want help playing the game, or there may be other viewpoints that we don't know.

In any case, I'd never have expected to see such pushback on me cleaning up 5-year old articles that seem abandoned and uncared for. At least on the articles I'm editing, so far I am seeing very little community involvement, it just seems like you locking it down "because no one had a problem with it before". You're likely to push away your average wiki contributor this way, but I suspect that's intentional given the scope of expectations you want to maintain regarding the 12 languages. I appreciate the scope of this undertaking, but it is not really a wiki at this point, so I can't really fulfill any of my visions and there doesn't seem to be much community on the older pages either, so I'll probably try bringing the Fandom Stardew Wiki up to speed instead. Good luck!

Changing Fried Egg Recipe

Hey! Sorry if I changed the text for the Fried Egg incorrectly! I didn't know how to change the text in the cute little boxes (like where you menioned its a starter recipe), only the written text in the paragraphs lol. Thank you for fixing the entire thing! JessieB3999 (talk) 18:05, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey JessieB! Thank you for finding a change that wasn't in the change notes (and that no one else noticed)! 😀 margotbean (talk) 18:57, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Well I found it by my sister and I making this little spreadsheet thing to race each other to perfection, and she said that getting that recipe should be worth some points (along with some others) and I brought up to her how I was pretty sure it was already known as part of a new file and so we looked on the wiki. It said when u upgrade the farmhouse but I was pretty sure I saw on it my unmodded switch (unlike my VERY molded pc lol) and I HAD to boot up a new save to see lol. I couldn't find any place on the site to report it so I made an account and threw it in there. I didn't expect it to be so complicated (to me) to change haha! Regardless, thank you! JessieB3999 (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

That is absolutely awesome! Thanks to both you and your sister for being competitive. 👍

If you ever have a question about how to edit something, you can always ask here on my talk page. I check in every day, unless I'm incapacitated by the flu. 😁 margotbean (talk) 04:04, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Shimmering Lights on regular Beach map

Since of our wiki saying that Panning is not possible at The Beach except when the Night Market map is loaded really bugs me because when we play we keep seeing Shimmering Lights at The Beach when the Night Market is not happening. Is this in the game code or not? Feel free to head over to the game code for research about Shimmering Light locations. 9000 (talk) 8:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

The game code checks for "not beach" before spawning shimmering lights. Perhaps you're using mods that change the game behavior. Otherwise, I can't explain it. margotbean (talk) 20:06, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Shane attending Night Market bug

Apparently in our wiki it says that there was a bug with Shane where he would attend the Night Market, which was patched, did this mean that Shane attended the Night Market every day it was around? Because he only attends it on Winter 15. Feel free to look through the Version History page to try to find this. It may be v1.4 or v1.5 that it was patched. 9000 (talk) 9:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

In the "History" section on both Shane's page and the Night Market page, it clearly states that there was a bug preventing him from attending the Night Market that was fixed in v1.4. margotbean (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Gift Log incorrection

Apparently in our wiki everything says Gifts as "Neutral" which makes sense, but apparently in the Gift Log, which you can access through selecting the heart button, then a Villager, If you've given any Neutral gifts, the wording in the gift log is "Normal Gifts" instead of "Neutral Gifts". This is incorrect in the wiki because everything says "Neutral" instead of "Normal". This is something that you should check in the game code for research about. 9000 (talk) 9:03, 19 April, 2023 (UTC)

Im new, and confused.

Hi! its me, User:Mortician Technician. Im new here, and I noticed that the Chicken page didn't include the Friendship aspect of having them. I made an account specifically for this, actually. And on account of me being new, I wasnt sure how to properly format the edit, and I apologize for this. However, how should I edit what I wrote, If edit it all. Or should I just leave it? Like I said, I apologie for being annoying, Im young and new to this, and just wanted to help. Thank you for helping me sort out my edit! Mortician Technician (talk) 18:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, welcome to the wiki! The problem with the edit was chiefly that it needs to be applied to all affected animals' pages, not just the chicken. So, if you're willing to add a section about animal care & friendship to all farm animals' pages, then we can discuss the specifics. Are you up for editing several pages? margotbean (talk) 19:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I definitely am up to do so, however with school and such I may not be online to do so as often as I should be. Thank you for Clarifying, I was rather confused. Mortician Technician (talk) 03:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, I could have written a note on your talk page to explain things a little more, so don't worry. To be honest, my mind is a bit blown that there isn't already an "Animal Care" section on the farm animals' pages. They may have been a bit neglected in this regard.

The good news is that once you have the section written, most of it can be copy/pasted to the other animals' pages with only a few changes. It might be a good idea to put it on your user page first, then tweak it until it's right. After that, copy/pasting will be easy. And don't neglect your studies to do it! :) margotbean (talk) 14:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank You!! Im definitely up to start working on creating new "care" sections for the animals, I will have to do some research though, due to the fact that I only have chickens right now. Once again, Thank you so much for you help, and I'll try to make sure I do it properly this time. I'll put the sections in my bio for revision. Have an amazing day! Mortician Technician (talk) 17:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh goodness! You only have chickens at this point in your game, and I'm encouraging you to look up spoilers before you can edit the wiki. I'm so sorry! The good news is that all farm animals basically work the same, so the spoiler part isn't really too spoilery. But, please take your time, and happy farming! margotbean (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh don't feel bad. Ive already spoiled most of it for myself haha. Thank you for your encouragement, it means a lot! Mortician Technician (talk)

Alright, I finished the rough draft. it was difficult, but, also kinda fun! if theres anything I need to edit or add/subtract, Im fully willing to do so! Thank you for this amazing opportunity and advice!Mortician Technician (talk) 22:05, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Trying to get 100 mil total for perfection scene and wondering if I can some stuff to the wiki

Long time no edit! It’s Stardude the dude who had a mini edit battle with you over the terraria stardrop crossover. Anyway I’m trying to get 100m for the perfection cutscene and am currently at 52m total, I’ve been using Crystalariums animals jelly fairy rose honey wine and statue dupe glitches, I’m wondering if you have any advice for this. And one more thing, wondering if I can add optimal money farm layout images to some pages, thanks! Stardude (talk) 10:02, 28 April 2023 (AEST)

Hello Stardude, nice to see you again. I'm afraid I don't have any advice for you. The Statue of Perfection duplication glitch is the biggest money maker I've found, and you're already using it. As for optimal money farm layout images: no. I'm sorry, but the things that make the most money are a subject of debate, and the wiki strives to be an objective resource. I do hope you're doing well, and good luck with the quest for perfection! margotbean (talk) 14:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback and one more question would it be allowed if it was labeled and treated as a space efficient layout just to help some players that want to find a good layout? Stardude (Talk) 9:40, 1 May 2023 (AEST) or 22:49 30th April 2023

That's what the forums are for. margotbean (talk) 02:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Year 2 Egg Festival Dialogues

Hello. I thought about adding year 2 dialogues of Egg Festival to villagers' pages. Do you think I should do that? Peaw (talk) 18:37, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely! margotbean (talk) 15:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

P.S. Atravita was kind enough to provide a code reference for the even year dialogues, and confirmation that the Egg Festival is the only festival that has dialogue that changes from year to year. You can read the Egg Festival talk page before starting the project if you like. Thanks again, margotbean (talk) 21:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Margotbean, I would like to help with this project! But before I get started, I want you to confirm that the format is appropriate. For example, Abigail's:

Egg Festival

Odd-numbered year

“	“Searching for eggs is like going on a treasure hunt.”

Even-numbered year

“	“Do you think I'm too old to do the egg hunt?”

Yes (No effect on friendship.)

"Hmmph... you sound like my Mom!"

No (No effect on friendship.)

"Yeah, I guess so. If I'm still having fun, why stop?"

If married:

“	“Go away, we're adversaries until the egg hunt is over!”

Also, I will update these changes to the ZH wiki asap~

What do you think? Is there anything I need to improve? Please tell me! --Shirotsuki (talk) 16:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Looks perfect! I don't know what you're going to do in Chinese with the italic/oblique headings, but I'm pretty sure you have a plan for that already. ;)

Go for it! Thanks, margotbean (talk) 17:28, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I think I'd just use the regular style~ ;P

Italics looks nicer, but they don't work in Chinese. :( --Shirotsuki (talk) 17:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Official wiki site (English) css broken

Carpediem (talk) 18:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC) 8 May 2023 (UTC) Hi there! Love this wiki guide and the massive work you all do to keep it updated! Thank you! Use it with every game play. It appears to be broken now for non-members. Posts on r/StardewValley are piling up. Thank you. runs off screaming wiki down! wiki down!

Hello Carpediem! We are aware of the problem and are working on a fix. Are you seeing the problem while logged in? If not, for now that is the workaround -- create an account and login. The problem seems to affect only users who are not logged in. Hopefully this will be fixed shortly! margotbean (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for the speedy response, it appears to be fixed for non-members. Creating an account did fix it for me.Carpediem (talk) 20:07, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Leo's "likes"

hi Margotbean, regarding my reverted edit today on Leo's "likes", here's how i read it:

• original: "All Universal Likes (except Beer, Coffee, Life Elixir, Mead, Pale Ale, Pickles, Piña Colada, Wine, and Cooking other than Bread, Fried Egg, Poi, Mango Sticky Rice, & Triple Shot Espresso)"
• rephrased: "He likes everything, EXCEPT for cooking which he doesn't like, EXCEPT for espresso which he does like"

...and that's incorrect, he doesn't like espresso, he hates it. the only thing in the list of "exceptions to not liking cooking" that he likes is mango sticky rice. i think my original edit was correct? Cooperka (talk) 16:12, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, all villagers' pages are written the same way; that is, an exception to an exception means we don't know how they feel about the item, just that it's an exception to the rule. So, Leo doesn't necessarily like any of the listed cooked dishes, it's just that they don't follow the rule that "Leo doesn't like cooking". Basically it means "do more research before gifting these items". I know it can be a mind-bender. margotbean (talk) 17:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

it makes sense that a regular exception means "we don't know how they feel, so do more research before gifting", but an exception to an exception should mean something different than that, shouldn't it? i looked through every villager page and i'd like to hear your thoughts on the list below. there are only a few villagers who have double-negated entries, and most of the entries are written "correctly" from my perspective, with only a few exceptions in parentheticals below:

• Krobus - universal likes except Cooking, but still likes Seafoam Pudding (so no modification is needed here; his page is already correct from my perspective)
• Sebastian - universal likes except Artisan Goods, but still likes Coffee & Green Tea (so i think we should just remove Oil from the exceptions to not liking Artisan Goods because, as expected, he doesn't "like" Oil. Oil is not an exception to his "not liking Artisan Goods", it actually follows the rule, so there's no need to name it. otherwise, we would need to enumerate the entire set of Artisan Goods -- for example, why isn't Honey listed there too?)
• Jas - universal likes except Artisan Goods, but still likes Honey & Jelly (so i think we should remove Oil)
• Vincent - universal likes except Artisan Goods, but still likes Honey & Jelly (so i think we should remove Oil)
• Linus - universal likes except Gems, but still likes Diamond (so i think we should remove Prismatic Shard)
• Pierre - universal likes except Gems, but still likes Diamond (so i think we should remove Prismatic Shard)
• Leo - universal likes except Cooking, but still likes Mango Sticky Rice (so i think we should remove Bread, Fried Egg, Poi, & Triple Shot Espresso)
• Willy - universal likes except Cooking, but still likes quite a few cooked dishes that are listed explicitly in his table (so i think we should remove the sentence about being neutral to some cooked dishes, because that's redundant information and is already listed in the "neutral" section)
• Leah - universal likes except Foraged Minerals and Gems, but still likes Earth Crystal and Diamond (so i think we should remove Prismatic Shard). beautifully formatted list, i would love to format all double-negations this way for readability, if you think it's appropriate.

so, of the 9 pages that include double-negative items, 12 of the double-negatives are already "correct" from my perspective, and only 10 should be removed; it's a fairly minor cleanup. does this help clarify what i mean? Cooperka (talk) 20:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I think they're already written correctly in all 12 languages. What you're proposing might make sense to you, but it wouldn't be correct. Perhaps using List of All Gifts would be more helpful for you to use during gameplay? margotbean (talk) 23:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the link. I can sense that I'm bothering you, so let me cut to a simpler question to resolve this because I'm just looking for an explanation. Bread is a universal Neutral; Leo is Neutral to Bread; Leo Dislikes most Cooking except for a few things including Bread, and the List of All Gifts describes this perfectly for Leo; but Leo's "Likes" section explains that he does not Like Cooking, and Bread is an exception to his not Liking Cooking. If you can help me understand why Bread belongs here even though he doesn't Like it, that's all I'm trying to understand. Nothing about Bread is unusual for Leo, it's a universal Neutral, yet it's explicitly called out in his Likes. Why? Cooperka (talk) 14:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

It's because bread is an exception to "All cooking". Again, if you're thinking that Leo doesn't like bread, you must do more research to see how he feels about it. What the page says is that it's an exception to his not liking "All cooking". That's it, that's the answer. It's an exception to "all cooking".

It ends up being that a double negative cancels out, and Leo doesn't like Bread, or, I should say, he's neutral towards it. But I only know that because I've checked universal gifts first, and Leo's other gifting sections. I know the gifting sections are confusing, but I don't know how I can explain it in a different way. Really, my point is that they're all written the same way, in 12 languages, and they're all equally confusing/clear. margotbean (talk) 14:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

You're saying that Bread is an exception to Leo "not Liking All cooking", but that's clearly false, because he doesn't Like Bread. I give up lol. Cooperka (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Amount of Truffles Pigs create within Daily Luck

Since we are trying to get a Gold Clock to get Perfection, we always feel upset about how many Truffles Pigs create in a day. We always think that the amount of Truffles Pigs create in a day depends on Daily Luck. Every day that says "Very happy today", "Good humour today", or the +0.02 Luck from "Neutral" days, we usually get about 4-8 Truffles. Every day that says "Very displeased today", "Somewhat annoyed / mildly perturbed today", or the -0.02 Luck from "Neutral" days, we usually get about 1-3 Truffles. Is it random on the amount of Truffles Pigs create in a day or is it like on-screen frames while we're on our Farm? We need you to check out the game code for Truffle spawn rates. 9000 (talk) 8:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

No dependency on luck or daily luck, lol. (see FarmAnimal.findTruffle). No dependency on whether or not the farmer is around to see it. Atravita (talk) 13:01, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

OK on the job. 9000 (talk) 7:19, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Something I Encountered on Slimes

Hello! I was reading the Slimes page and in this part, it says "Special Dark Green Slime", but the slime is yellow and even its file says "Yellow Slime". Was this on purpose or a mistake? Peaw (talk) 18:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

In the game code, there's no "yellow slime", they're all variations of green slimes. So, the title of the image (uploaded in 2016) describes the appearance without delving into the game code. The understanding that yellow slimes are actually green slimes came after the image was uploaded.

I could change the name of the image, but it would be much more trouble than it's worth (12 languages, waiting for the server cache to update the image on the wiki...)

Hope this helps! margotbean (talk) 19:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah okay. Do you think I should use "green" or "yellow" for it then, even though it's actually just a recolored green slime? Sorry if I misunderstood. Peaw (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I think you understood what I wrote. The special slime is called a "green" slime on the page, and the rest are called "yellow" slimes, so I would do the same thing in Turkish. If the English page is updated by someone more familiar with the game code than me, then I will update the Turkish page (or request that you or Syammu update it). 😀😉 Thanks for being so thorough, and taking care of the wiki! margotbean (talk) 16:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! Peaw (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Quality and Dying?

Hello again! I got some clothes I wanted to colour, and I was wondering if the quality of the item used in the sewing machine effects the vibrancy of the colour produced. I dunno, you just seemed like a good person to ask. Thank you! (btw, im out of school for the sumer, so I will simultanoiusly both always and never seem to be on) Mortician Technician (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Quality does not affect the dye at all, not its strength or brightness or any other aspect of it. I'll check the page and add a note if it doesn't already say that. Congrats on finishing another year! margotbean (talk) 16:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Something I Encountered on Wilderness Golem

Hello! I was translating the Wilderness Golem page and saw that "Iridium Ore (%1)" was written twice in its drop table. Was this a mistake or on purpose to mean something like (1% + 1%)? Peaw (talk) 12:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

It means there's a 1% chance for it to drop one item and a 1% chance to drop another of the same item. The two events are independent of each other, so the percentages can't be combined. You'll see this on a lot of monsters' pages. It means the same thing in each case. margotbean (talk) 16:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Ooh okay. I understood, thanks! Have a nice day. 🙂 Peaw (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Cool, thank you! Same to you!! margotbean (talk) 17:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Unable to add external links

Hi, I'm quite new to the wiki and I'm not sure if this is the correct way to contact you, but today I installed SMAPI on my Laptop running NixOS and I thought it would be useful for others who maybe also run NixOS on how to install SMAPI, because it has a few catches. I tried to edit the Modding:Installing SMAPI on Linux page, but after i finished my edits, they were declined and an error popped up:

Error: This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Adding external links

So I think my action was constructive and therefore want to inform you what I was trying to do. I added an external link to the NixOS page and another one to the script (steam-run) needed to run the SMAPI installer. Mariechen (talk) 19:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mariechen! I've pushed the edit through for you. If you have any other issues, please let me know. margotbean (talk) 19:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much :) Mariechen (talk) 21:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Children

How long did it take you for your spouse to ask for a baby? Also did you need the cellar for them to ask? Aepace000 (talk) 00:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of Iridium

If someone types Iridium into the search bar, they're almost certainly looking for either the ore or the bar. If I search for Iridium, the 2 highest results are the axe and the bat. The bar is third through a redirect, but the ore is pretty far down. The search results does list all the pages which is good, but this can also be done with Special:PrefixIndex/Iridium. Snowmanonahoe (talk) 00:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)